QB question for you guys

[jnuh]

Obviously I am new here, and I don't really know where you guys stand on McCoy (I have an idea of where all the regs on the other board I frequent stand) So I want to know where everyone stand??

Are you for the continuity and living through the growing pains of Colt?? Do you/have you seen enough in him to move forward with him??

Would you like to see us bring in a FA vet next yr?? or an upcoming QB who is looking to get his first chance as a starter in the NFL like Matt Flynn from the Packers?

Or do you want to see us draft a QB in round one? or even trade both picks to move even higher in round one and draft a top rookie QB??

I am not looking to having a pissing contest over who is right and wrong with there OPINION. I am just curious to gauge where everyone is at with the most important position on our team.

I am on the fence with Colt personally. If he played all season like he has the past 3 weeks it would have definitely swayed towards Colt, but he showed nothing at all in the first 8 games this year to sway me for him. If he does finish the season like he has played the last 3 weeks I would be all for him. I also can give him a pass to an extent because of the lack of protection, running game, and sub par play calling.

The pro's for Colt in my opinion are his leadership, moxi, drive, and determination. He also seems to be a student of the game which is also huge.

The con's are his arm strength (which is huge to me)

The thing I am confused about is his accuracy because last year and this year have been totally different in that department.

At this point I guess I would be fine sticking with Colt if thats what we ended up doing, but if we moved in a different direction I would be ok with that also depending on the direction. I would actually like the idea of going after a guy like Matt Flynn as he has looked very good in his limited playing time, and he is familar with elements of the WCO. I also like being able to just sign him and not losing anything to obtain him. He is also NFL ready and could step right in where as a rookie may take sometime to come along. We would also be able to use our 2 first rounders on some more pieces for this team (perhaps a LB and WR)

So I ask where do you all stand??

[Neo]

It doesn't matter what QB we get because our coaches will ruin him.

[TheBestPlayersPlay]

Originally Posted by jnuh

I am not looking to having a pissing contest over who is right and wrong with there OPINION.

Let's all keep this in mind, stick to what the OP is asking.

I like McCoy, I think with a good team around him, and coaches that don't coddle him too much ...he can be a top 5-10 QB in this league. I am not totally sold on that idea yet, but watching what he accomplishes with our shit pile of a team, and comparing and contrasting it to other young starting QBs in the NFL, I have to say I am impressed.

What I hope does not happen is that bad coaching or lack of talent ruins what he could turn out to be.

He's got almost everything I desire in a QB, other than height and a cannon for an arm which is overrated anyway.

Colt's a tough kid, but he does seem to have a bit of thin skin ...he needs to work on that and recognize everyone around him is trying to make him better.

What I want to see next is him really holding his teammates accountable for poor, inexcusable play. I want to see some fire, and see him really take control of the locker room.

[hiwaygal]

Well, you only asked what the GUYS think. So I'll abstain.

[mikeyP]

Nice bulbs, hiwaygal.

[Fooleeze]

I like him, like his toughness, passion, and his gamesmanship. . . he's trying hard to win, truly. I want him to have an opportunity to succeed, and to do that he needs better playcalling, running, receivers, and protection. It's a lot to ask for, it's probably easier to blame it on the QB.

THROW A BALL THAT IS EASIER FOR LITTLE TO CATCH COLT!!!!

[next2nothing]

I am not sold on McCoy... however, unless we can get Andrew Luck then I would like us bring in some WR talent through the drafter preferably but if there is a good WR FA available then grab him. Upgrade the line. If Hillis leaves then I'd like for us to get Trent Richardson if we can with one of our first rounders. I think that to really know if McCoy is THE GUY or not, we have to put some talent on offense for him to uitlize.

So... barring any event that allows us to grab Luck (which is still a gamble) then I say we upgrade the offense and roll with McCoy next year. What do we have to lose? I think McCoy has shown the potential to be a good QB, imo.

[jnuh]

Originally Posted by hiwaygal

Well, you only asked what the GUYS think. So I'll abstain.

Didn't mean to come off sexist Your opinion is more then welcome.

Here is a random off topic thought ...

As much as I see the glaring need to get Colt a legit WR to help him develop I actually hope they look towards free agency instead of the draft.

Me reasoning as to why we go the FA route vs draft 1. We obviously run the risk of him being a sucker 2. It generally takes a WR a couple of years to develop. 3. There are some really good free agent WR's available Marques Colston, Steve Johnson, Vincent Jackson, D-Bowe, and Desean Jackson (just to name a few) If we can grab one of those guys via free agency we would get a WR of the same caliber that a we hope the WR we draft becomes. Granted those guys are "pro bowl" caliber, and not elite. If we do draft a WR we run the chance of drafting an elite guy, but also run the risk of a guy busting. I would rather fill our biggest hole with an established guy in his prime (which all those guys are) Especially since we also won't have to deal with the learning curve of the transition from college to pro WR (which people generally say is 3 years) Plus if we end up drafting a WR and he doesn't pan out its another excuse for why Colt isn't progressing.

There are also a ton more FA WRs I did not mention.

On top of all that we can go out and use those first rounders on LB, DE, CB, and RB.

PS I am not normally a fan of adressing holes in free agency over the draft, but we have so many holes we are going to have to use both to fill them all.

[next2nothing]

Originally Posted by jnuh

Me reasoning as to why we go the FA route vs draft 1. We obviously run the risk of him being a sucker 2. It generally takes a WR a couple of years to develop. 3. There are some really good free agent WR's available Marques Colston, Steve Johnson, Vincent Jackson, D-Bowe, and Desean Jackson (just to name a few) If we can grab one of those guys via free agency we would get a WR of the same caliber that a we hope the WR we draft becomes..

Great points in your whole post jnuh and I'd love to grab a big name WR like the ones you listed but the $64,000 question is "Do any of them hit the open market?".

[jnuh]

Originally Posted by next2nothing

Great points in your whole post jnuh and I'd love to grab a big name WR like the ones you listed but the $64,000 question is "Do any of them hit the open market?".

They are all schedualed too ... but we will see. It seems Desean Jackson has a chance as he is burning his bridge in Philly similar to how Hillis is here. Brees is a FA also and if they do not come to an agreement quickly with him I would have to think they franchise him over Colston and I feel the Chargers would have inked VJax long term already if that were there intention.

There are also a boatload of other very good WR's other then the ones I listed such as Robert Meacham, Mario Manningham, Brandon Lloyd, Jerome Simpson, and Pierre Garcon all those guys a notch below the others I named though.

Mike Wallace is also a RFA

[next2nothing]

Originally Posted by jnuh

They are all schedualed too ... but we will see. It seems Desean Jackson has a chance as he is burning his bridge in Philly similar to how Hillis is here. Brees is a FA also and if they do not come to an agreement quickly with him I would have to think they franchise him over Colston and I feel the Chargers would have inked VJax long term already if that were there intention.

There are also a boatload of other very good WR's other then the ones I listed such as Robert Meacham, Mario Manningham, Brandon Lloyd, Jerome Simpson, and Pierre Garcon all those guys a notch below the others I named though.

Mike Wallace is also a RFA

I see what you're saying but we gotta wait till the off-season begins and just what these teams do because they could let other guys go in order to hold onto their impact WR's.

[mario]

When the Cleveland Browns drafted Colt McCoy in the third round of last years draft, what we seen in the college film, combine, and pre-draft workouts is what we got.

What we got is a third round quarterback who doesn't have the abilities to individually put the team on his shoulder and lead us to victory like the elite quarterbacks in the league can (Big Ben, Tom Brady, Aaron, Drew, Manning) can, but we got a quarterback that with the right system, a very strong supporting cast, and a solid defense, can keep you in the games.

Colt McCoy doesn't have impressive physical attributes aside from a little bit of quickness and ability for moving away from pressure if its coming from his left side (he routinely walks into the pressure on the right as we have seen week after week). He doesn't always find the wide open receivers (especially RBs coming out of the backfield as I noticed today on a few plays), and he doesn't have an incredibly strong arm, although I feel he can make most of the throws from what I have observed.

What McCoy does have is a short memory, he doesn't seem to be all that bothered when he makes a bad play or the offense is halted on a drive. He provides good leadership, and his teammates like him.

I believe he can be a good quarterback, but he isn't the kind of player who will be good simply because he is good. He will need an above adequate supporting cast, and the right system. It is apparent he is still far more comfortable in the shotgun (which sort of diminishes the running game, not that we have one this year anyways), and I believe our coaching staff needs to do like Carolina and Denver are doing: DESIGNING the game plan to the QBs strengths to mask the weaknesses they have.

With that being said, unless a stud falls in our lap, I say the team should stick with McCoy, but not be shy to kick the tires on other QBs they seriously think can do better.