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Our defense is horrific against the run.

Can anyone identify what exactly it is? The D-line and LB corps got put in their place again badly.
Biggest problem right now is RDE, Jayme Mitchell might be the worst run defender in the league. He gets absolutely mauled every run play, I bet atleast 75% of the first half run plays were right at him. Then starting the second half Brian Shaffering got the bulk of the reps at RDE and that helped a little, but bye that time I think the D was gassed.

A well rounded pass rusher with excellent run-stopping ability at DE and a big physical run stopping MLB have to be addressed early in the draft.
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Biggest problem right now is RDE, Jayme Mitchell might be the worst run defender in the league. He gets absolutely mauled every run play, I bet atleast 75% of the first half run plays were right at him. Then starting the second half Brian Shaffering got the bulk of the reps at RDE and that helped a little, but bye that time I think the D was gassed.

A well rounded pass rusher with excellent run-stopping ability at DE and a big physical run stopping MLB have to be addressed early in the draft.


Agree...but need a rb and wr too...no offense is killing us, first and foremost!
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Biggest problem right now is RDE, Jayme Mitchell might be the worst run defender in the league. He gets absolutely mauled every run play, I bet atleast 75% of the first half run plays were right at him. Then starting the second half Brian Shaffering got the bulk of the reps at RDE and that helped a little, but bye that time I think the D was gassed.

A well rounded pass rusher with excellent run-stopping ability at DE and a big physical run stopping MLB have to be addressed early in the draft.
I start with Mitchell also. He gets pushed outside and the lead blocker is right on the LBs. But to be fair, he isn't the only problem. Our LBs take very bad angles, over run plays and struggle to get off of blocks. Jackson just doesn't have to meat to play inside with all the traffic and Gocong gets eaten up. He's okay against the pass but doesn't help the run game. We are playing two FSs and neither plays hard against the run. Brown doesn't support the run very well wither. They do miss Ward.

But, we definitely need bigger, stronger and faster LBs. A little kick ass mean from the group would go a long way. But we did pass on a couple of those guys in 2009 and 2010 so I just shake my head. Beside LB this teams really needs a premier RDE. the other line pieces aren't bad, but if you can't stop the lead blockers from getting to your LBs untouched then you aren't going to stop the run.

Sad that as much as we need playmakers on offense we still don't have a defense that can stop the run. You aren't going to win if you can't stop the run. Hell, teams don't even have to pass on us to beat us. You got to make teams throw the ball to beat you.

It's frustrating that we still have so many missing pieces.
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Sheard and Taylor are rookies. I think its likely they'll both be very good players. Rubin's solid. We need a RDE and the DL should be a strength.

The problem, as has been documented here, is that our "back seven" is severly lacking in playmakers. Haden is one. Ward is also, but so far he's only a playmaker in one phase (vs the run). We don't have a playmaker at LB and we desperately need a ballhawking centerfielder at FS.

And that's just the defense....
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Sheard and Taylor are rookies. I think its likely they'll both be very good players. Rubin's solid. We need a RDE and the DL should be a strength.

The problem, as has been documented here, is that our "back seven" is severly lacking in playmakers. Haden is one. Ward is also, but so far he's only a playmaker in one phase (vs the run). We don't have a playmaker at LB and we desperately need a ballhawking centerfielder at FS.

And that's just the defense....
I went back and watched some more of the game (painfully) to see if my initial take on Mitchell was right and he did suck but I agree more and more with you that the LB play was just as bad if not worse.

That whole group got their asses kicked. RDE is a big priority but LB needs a big upgrade across the board. Jackson makes plays but needs to be moved outside as a WSLB, he just gets lost too easy inside in traffic and can't get off of blocks.
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That whole group got their asses kicked. RDE is a big priority but LB needs a big upgrade across the board. Jackson makes plays but needs to be moved outside as a WSLB, he just gets lost too easy inside in traffic and can't get off of blocks.
Holy crap, did I just type up a post and for some reason it came up showing Y'town as the author? Welcome to the dark side, buddy. I was saying this weeks ago and had to duck and cover to avoid the pitchforks. Let's face it, DQJ is an All Pro strong safety stuck in the body of an undersized, but not fast, LB. He is a pretty good player, but not at MLB. Put a better RDE in the lineup and I think he can be very productive at WSLB.

One thing I liked about Maiava from this week was that he took on the lead blocker well - met him in the hole. The problem was nobody else filled, and DQJ more often than not was backpeddling to avoid the OG. Any body that has DirecTV, DVR the 30 minute replay of the game and key on our LBs (I swear this is a great offering by DirecTV - once you start watching it, it becomes addictive). It's pathetic seeing our LBs sticking to blockers like glue and generally wandering around aimlessly in pass coverage.
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Embarrassing? Yes, But Why?


By Lane Adkins
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Posted Dec 5, 2011




The Browns were dealt an embarrassing loss by the Baltimore Ravens on Sunday. As the losses mount, not only those players on the playing field are responsible -- as someone put them in the position, whether good enough or not.

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It was ugly. It was very ugly.

So goes the 2011 season of the Cleveland Browns following a thorough butt-kicking administered by the Baltimore Ravens, 24-10.
Rushing for 290 yards and passing for another 158 yards, the Ravens overwhelmed the Browns at every turn, despite the Browns being within striking distance 10-3, in the third quarter.

In essence, the Browns had no reason to be in this game. Only in score they were, as the Ravens offense and defense over-powered and pushed the Browns around, nearly at will.

The Browns, especially on defense battled, but were no match for the superior Baltimore physicality, preparation and experience. Though, youth wasn’t the basis of this demoralizing loss.

It was all talent. It is coaching. It is confidence.

Week after week the same is viewed on game-day. The Browns can’t move the football, throw extremely short passes, balls dropped and punt. Defensively, the Browns defense stops the run for a play or two, but gives up just enough yardage on the ground to keep them on the field.

In a nut-shell, this is a poor football team. Years and years of turmoil, change and indecision has left Cleveland Browns football to what it is, and has been for the better part of 12 years.
Poor.

There are no excuses acceptable for the manner which this team plays. The National Football League is about one thing – winning, and the Browns must learn how to play the game on that level – a winner.

Much is said about the youth and inexperience within the player roster. 23 players with a year or less experience, whether on-field or on a practice squad is alarming number.
Much more should be said about those putting this team into the position it is.

A fine line separates a successful team and an after-thought such as the Browns.

A team such as the Browns headed into the season playing the youth and inexperienced player(s). Other teams may compete by adding bodies of experience to help bridge the gap between such youth and development and winning.

But, if a team fields a young QB, basically a rookie in a new system and surround the balance of the offense, a new offense mind you with questionable talent, and one is only left to wonder what the true chance of success is.

Obviously, those chances are slim – if the 2011 Browns are the example.

When you look at the Browns, blaming the likes of QB Colt McCoy or offensive linemen Jason Pinkston and Shawn Lauvao isn’t the answer. These guys are playing as well as they can in the structure they are in. Simply put, they may not be good enough to make a difference for this team on game-day, not today, not tomorrow, maybe never.

They were put into the position they are today.
Granted, a football player seeks the opportunity to compete. That chance is something most any player wants, it’s what the player does with the opportunity that makes or breaks his future potential.

There has been a bright moment within the darkness which has been Cleveland Browns football in the 2011 season. Though, guys such as McCoy, Lauvao, Pinkston and others just may not be good enough, not at this time, not thrust into the fray of a new system.

It’s not to blame those mentioned. The three players may be the most noted when discussions about the state of the team are engulfing.

But, why?

McCoy is the QB and he hasn’t proven to be the presence a team in the game today at the position. Lauvao and Pinkston man the LG and RG spots and have been beaten too often on game-day attempting to protect McCoy, or in run-blocking situations.

Much of the same could be said about the WR’s, the LB’s, and the D-line and so on.

Without the talent, coaching, experience and confidence at the professional level, the fine line between winning and losing is often immeasurable.

Today what we think about McCoy, Lauvao, Pinkston and others really means very little. It’s those men bunkered in the Browns Berea,

Ohio training facility that means everything.
Hopefully those men continue to retool this team objectively, as the issue doesn’t appear to simply be the on-field talent.

‘Next year’ is a common thing heard associated to Browns football, by Browns fans. Again, next year, year-two of Pat Shurmur and company better be much better, or the masses of Browns fans may continue their unparalleled march away from the team with continue.

Because a 4-8 record is not good enough and the Browns are becoming inconsequential on Sunday in Cleveland.

The vast number of empty seats only help prove the notion as fact.

Quick Hitters

- QB Colt McCoy again didn’t see receivers breaking into the clear against the Ravens. While the receivers weren’t beating coverage consistently, opportunities were present and those opportunities weren’t capitalized on.

- Not to blame this ongoing issue solely on McCoy, as he did break the called play in completing a downfield pass to RB Peyton Hillis and another to TE Evan Moore late in the game. The issue is these two completions were the exception to the vast rule.

- The Ravens showed many defensive looks upfront against the Browns. Interestingly, there were a couple stunts not viewed on tape, which left the Browns right-side of the offensive line baffled – and waving as Ravens defenders met at McCoy.

- An offense has little chance to succeed if they are unable to run a
defense off the ball. Throughout the game, the Browns passing game was consistently comprised of short routes run – which the Ravens defense respected little.

- This game was yet another match-up where the Browns passing game was basically relegated to short attempts. Whether by design or inability, this organization must improve this facet. It’s understood head coach Pat Shurmur likes to utilize the short passing game much like a running play, but the problem this team encounters is the ability to do anything other than the short scheme is flawed. You don’t win in the NFL without being a down-field threat.

- Josh Who? Why line up the man if he isn’t going to be looked toward. Cribbs has every right, every reason to be upset with the lack of touches, the lack of winning and the lack of utilization.

- If the season is going to remain one of playing the youth, why isn’t
WR Carlton Mitchell on the playing field? At the very least, he is the quickest receiver and can run a vertical route. This just happens to be an aspect of the Browns offense which is missing.

- A big difference between the manner which the Baltimore Ravens play and that of the Browns is physicality. The Ravens are physical, confident and force their will upon an opposition. The Ravens offensive line and defensive front-seven get their bodies into the opposition and are relentless. The manner which the Browns offensive line and defensive front-seven were man-handled was a work of art by the Ravens.

- This isn't to make scapegoats out of players thrust into a position -- but the play of the Browns safeties leave something to be desired. While Mike Adams and Usama Young have contributed, neither player has elevated his play to be that of a consistent presence on a good football team, as neither player supports the run well and take bad angles against the pass.

- RG Shawn Lauvao and RT Tony Pashos struggled against the aggressive pressure coming from the Ravens defensive front-seven. While Pashos' struggles could be expected as the player being rather slow-footed, but Lauvao's footwork isn't bad, but his reactionary skills have been slow to develop.

- For the past few weeks this column has pressed the question as to why this team doesn't utilize the screen pass to beat a hard-charging defensive scheme. I suppose my answer was watching Pashos try to lead the screen blocking -- sorry guys, way to slow, frightening so.

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I'm surprised no one has mentioned the 9 guys on the field on ST during a punt.

Also, a really angry member here who likes insulting the entire forum on the regular recently kept saying our team is so horrible because we have 15 new players this season that we didn't have last year ...which essentially makes this a brand new rebuild.

Well, the Ravens have something like 20 new players this year ...8 of which are starters. (my #'s might be slightly wrong, but I'm close) So I guess the Ravens are in full on rebuild mode too, which makes it even more embarrassing that we look as bad as we do.

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Other teams may compete by adding bodies of experience to help bridge the gap between such youth and development and winning.

Hmm, I wonder who did that the past 2 seasons and was demonized by the pitch-fork crowd for doing so?

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Not to blame this ongoing issue solely on McCoy, as he did break the called play in completing a downfield pass to RB Peyton Hillis and another to TE Evan Moore late in the game.
So neither of those plays were called? HILARIOUS It was obvious the Hillis play wasn't, but didn't know about the TD to Moore.
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