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JT is probaly the only thing on the Browns O worth a thing.

If you can get Luck by giving up JT, would you do it?
If we think Luck will be Peyton Manning, then 'bye Joe Thomas.' Look at the difference in Indy with Manning and without him.

Is Luck that once in a decade 1st round draft pick? I have no idea because I haven't seen him play but once or twice.
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If we also threw in Mike Holmgren, Mike Heckert, and Pat Shurmur.
LOL. Hey why not since GM's and HC's are actually lining up at the door and around the corner to come to Cleveland out of the goodness of their heart to turn around the franchise. I mean this is Cleveland right, football royalty? It isn't as if we switch out HC's and FO's every 3 years.......oh wait.

Getting rid of Tom Heckert is the single most panic stricken button I have ever heard pushed. Guy has brought in 43 players and 15 new starters since 2010, and while 6-7 of them are still stop gaps, they're better than the crap the previous 3 regimes ever brought in.

So yes lets get rid of Tom Heckert. Brilliant. Consider the panic button pushed. Although you are the only one touting this a 3rd season of a rebuild (and many think he may have been better off starting a year earlier) the FACT of the matter is this is the FIRST year with a WCO alignment from top to bottom. You have your timetable and the FO has theirs.

You don't get to arbitrarily decide when the rebuild started, especially since the only players still here from the Mangini era are Mack, MoMass, Maiava, Schaefering, T Brown, Benard, E Moore, R Ventrone M Adams and S Paxson. 2 starters! That is 10 guys on a 53 man roster that are still here when Eric was in charge of transactions. News flash - that is a huge turnover and thus subject to the term REBUILD. 43 guys have been added under Heckert. Maybe you don't know what a rebuild looks like.

And Mike Holmgren? Ha don't make me laugh. All he needs to do is sit down for 30 minutes and calmly & honestly explain his evaluation of where the team is at and the Browns fans will eat it up. Why shouldn't they since he is the smartest person in this building since Paul Brown. I would have no problem if he decided to change HC's but he won't do that, and he won't do that because his coach needs a QB. Mike did what he said he was going to do -- evaluate - and I am sure once he sits down and talks to the media again all the warm and fuzzies will return for most of the fanbase. Most.

And that is just the facts.

The team has underperfomed to my expectations by huge margin. The only thing keeping me from losing my mind is trust in H and H. Shurmur is a huge disappointment to me, both in his decisions and handling of certain situations (his playcalling could be Colt, but who knows). But even to my consternation and frustration he - like Mangini - never gets off message.
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and Newton is a back up to the next big running QB to come out of college in 4 years.
Oh hell yeah I would take that bet. Cam Newton is going to change that franchise and be the leader they need. That dude is a winner and his will to win is unmatched in that building. People have dogged him since the draft and all he does is prove everyone wrong. He isn't just a runner who throws, he throws and also runs.
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Oh hell yeah I would take that bet. Cam Newton is going to change that franchise and be the leader they need. That dude is a winner and his will to win is unmatched in that building. People have dogged him since the draft and all he does is prove everyone wrong. He isn't just a runner who throws, he throws and also runs.

Agreed; this dude has really proven me wrong
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No way you trade Thomas if you want this team to be better in the future. Good OL guys can play 12-15 years. He's in year 5.. It would be stupid to trade him. You don't get rid of proven studs on a team bereft of talent. You hold on to all the talent we have. We have 2 1st round picks next year. that could jumpstart this team in the right direction with another good draft.
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Oh hell yeah I would take that bet. Cam Newton is going to change that franchise and be the leader they need. That dude is a winner and his will to win is unmatched in that building. People have dogged him since the draft and all he does is prove everyone wrong. He isn't just a runner who throws, he throws and also runs.
Never said that's what he was. He's a better thrower than all all his predecessors I'll give him that. But he'll still run, he'll get hurt more than the average QB and his team will suffer for it.

and he's sure leading them to wins this year isn't he? I know I know, it's all the defense's fault.
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No way you trade Thomas if you want this team to be better in the future. Good OL guys can play 12-15 years. He's in year 5.. It would be stupid to trade him. You don't get rid of proven studs on a team bereft of talent. You hold on to all the talent we have. We have 2 1st round picks next year. that could jumpstart this team in the right direction with another good draft.

Love the response!

Do you think he'll stay?
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Love the response!

Do you think he'll stay?
He just signed a new deal this year..so he's here for a while.
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