Is Colt McCoy our future #1 QB - ESPN Poll

[mikeyP]

ESPN had a poll here:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/fp/fl...&pollId=128778

It asked the question to many FANS about what they think of Colt McCoy's potential to be the Browns future franchise quarterback.

Interestingly enough, in Ohio the vote was 52% yes / 48% no.

In Texas it was 68% yes to 32% no

And for some reason, people from Maryland hate Colt McCoy. it was 50/50 in Maryland.

Lets poll Barking Hard, what do you think?

[hiwaygal]

I say yes. Unless Shurmur decides to scapegoat him or daddy McCoy gets him out.

[Riffer X]

I got rambling in the draft thread, so let me paste it here where it goes better and hopefully kick this thread off so we don't have twenty different threads about the same thing.

RGIII is definitely looking like an option, but it wouldn't mean he would start right away over Colt either. Colt could take the job and run with it if they get the kid any help and he has a whole offseason to perfect this supposed offense. Of course taking RGIII would negate an impact WR in that spot like possibly Blackmon.

My crush in this draft like Watt last year and Colt the year before is the Broyles kid, even with his injury. People will knock him for size and speed but the kid is a flat out baller, exatly what we don't have besides maybe Norwood and Cribbs. He can be had in probably round three or four and would be an immediate impact the second he is healthy. I am also very warm on RGIII beings my mom and older half brother live in Waco. He is a phenomenal kid and over the top talented, plus tough as shit. My only worries are he tends to stride a little far on most of his passes but I am not going to go all technical on the kid, he can play.

Right now, I would like something similar to these scenarios:
Somehow get Blackmon with our top pick and Broyles later on. Add an FA WR that is still young with upside even if you overpay big time and resign Hillis. We can go one more year with our backs because we will have 4 guys counting Jackson and Obi, plus Hards may be a different player on year two back from the injury--possibly convert Hillis to FB full time but use him! A guy like Mike Adams from OSU may be had with Atlanta's pick to start day one at RT and an FA to start over Lauvao. Hopefully, Steiny may be able to give us another year but if not Pinky should be able to do a decent job there or possibly go to RT or be an overall swing man. The NoMass era is done and we would keep Norwood and Cribbs to go along with Little, who would actually have to earn his time. We could effectively see a completely revamped offense and my guess is Colt would morph into a pretty good QB in this situation. Lots of variables to deal with such as who is going to be the new OC and Patty Shurms will still be calling the plays, so that could be disturbing. Bear with me, cuz I am trying to stay optimistic about this team.

Scenario Two: Draft RGIII as he should be there with our first pick. Let him develop behind Colt and see if Colt gets better ala Brees. You won't get Blackmon, but possibly someone like Jeffery, Wright or Floyd with Atlanta's pick. Taking RGIII would essentially mean you don't get an an Adams and you get a lesser receiver than Blackmon as your primary weapon, so you are not doing Colt as much as you could but you're telling him it is do or die time basically. It is very possible that Colt is a completely better player next year with some help and another year to understand this bullshit offense. Funny thing is everyone said he is made for the WCO but he is really not, he is a pro set/play action type but just not the prototype. I think people are taking for granted some of the things he does do well, which is avoid sacks, run well, throw on the run well, lead, tough as hell, determined to succeed and doesn't turn the ball over too much by fumbling or throwing picks. My gosh, guys like Alex Smith were fumbling factories their first few years, and Colt is not that despite getting repeated pressure.

Having a full off season and this type of offensive overhaul that is doable is hopefully enough to keep me optimistic as mostly always, cuz I suck at the hate my team thing----big time.
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[Tobalaz]

I'm sorry, I WANT McCoy to be our guy.
We NEED a guy.
It would be perfect if it all worked out.

But all I'm seeing is a kid that was pampered all his life by his coaches, who is getting beat to death game in and out (and is probably going to wind up hearing footsteps from it) and has NO surrounding support or decent enough coaching to properly develop.

Colt is going to be Pattycake's scapegoat.

If Colt would have went to the right team, I think he could have been something special, but I'm just not seeing it here.

[Flugel]

Originally Posted by Riffer X

I got rambling in the draft thread, so let me paste it here where it goes better and hopefully kick this thread off so we don't have twenty different threads about the same thing.

RGIII is definitely looking like an option, but it wouldn't mean he would start right away over Colt either. Colt could take the job and run with it if they get the kid any help and he has a whole offseason to perfect this supposed offense. Of course taking RGIII would negate an impact WR in that spot like possibly Blackmon.

My crush in this draft like Watt last year and Colt the year before is the Broyles kid, even with his injury. People will knock him for size and speed but the kid is a flat out baller, exatly what we don't have besides maybe Norwood and Cribbs. He can be had in probably round three or four and would be an immediate impact the second he is healthy. I am also very warm on RGIII beings my mom and older half brother live in Waco. He is a phenomenal kid and over the top talented, plus tough as shit. My only worries are he tends to stride a little far on most of his passes but I am not going to go all technical on the kid, he can play.

Right now, I would like something similar to these scenarios:
Somehow get Blackmon with our top pick and Broyles later on. Add an FA WR that is still young with upside even if you overpay big time and resign Hillis. We can go one more year with our backs because we will have 4 guys counting Jackson and Obi, plus Hards may be a different player on year two back from the injury--possibly convert Hillis to FB full time but use him! A guy like Mike Adams from OSU may be had with Atlanta's pick to start day one at RT and an FA to start over Lauvao. Hopefully, Steiny may be able to give us another year but if not Pinky should be able to do a decent job there or possibly go to RT or be an overall swing man. The NoMass era is done and we would keep Norwood and Cribbs to go along with Little, who would actually have to earn his time. We could effectively see a completely revamped offense and my guess is Colt would morph into a pretty good QB in this situation. Lots of variables to deal with such as who is going to be the new OC and Patty Shurms will still be calling the plays, so that could be disturbing. Bear with me, cuz I am trying to stay optimistic about this team.

Scenario Two: Draft RGIII as he should be there with our first pick. Let him develop behind Colt and see if Colt gets better ala Brees. You won't get Blackmon, but possibly someone like Jeffery, Wright or Floyd with Atlanta's pick. Taking RGIII would essentially mean you don't get an an Adams and you get a lesser receiver than Blackmon as your primary weapon, so you are not doing Colt as much as you could but you're telling him it is do or die time basically. It is very possible that Colt is a completely better player next year with some help and another year to understand this bullshit offense. Funny thing is everyone said he is made for the WCO but he is really not, he is a pro set/play action type but just not the prototype. I think people are taking for granted some of the things he does do well, which is avoid sacks, run well, throw on the run well, lead, tough as hell, determined to succeed and doesn't turn the ball over too much by fumbling or throwing picks. My gosh, guys like Alex Smith were fumbling factories their first few years, and Colt is not that despite getting repeated pressure.

Having a full off season and this type of offensive overhaul that is doable is hopefully enough to keep me optimistic as mostly always, cuz I suck at the hate my team thing----big time.

Well done. It's kind of hard to tell how good he is when the Browns LEAD the NFL in dropped passes and the so-called #1 WR here has about 85% of those. The OTHER thing impacting progress on all his SHORT throw dropbacks is we are replacign a Pro Bowl alternate in Steinbach with a rookie that's had tons to learn in inside pass protection while Shawn Lauvao remains infected with head-up-his-ass syndrome. Liek Mayock spoke about Seattle giving Brees and passign game an early boot from the playoffs, if you crush the inside pocket on any QB that loves to step into the throws it'll bury the QB. Now, if you add it's a short QB on top of that - it causes great discomfort for a QB like Brees.

Well, who was McCoy closely compared with pre-draft? AND was Brees immediately brilliant or did San Diego had to wait until Drew's 4th season when they just burned a 1st overall pick on a QB? San Diego fans, media and their GM seemed certain they knew the problem was Brees. Then, a new hotshot QB heldout and the services of Keenan McCardell and Antonio Gates were added/applied and presto!!!! Love takes time...

Whether I like McCoy or not, we need a competitive alternative like RGIII being mentioned. The reason that's an attractive idea is we're going to have to give up soooo many picks to get Luck or the USC Barbie Doll that they'd be throwing to the same dysfunctionals that are leading the lead in drops and panic attacks in traffic. Aside from that, we HAVE to address to OG situation or the 3 step drops will remain a consistent train wreck vrs opponents that study film. I think we can get RGIII and the WR in round 1 without 1 trade away; and as it was put he would not need to be raced into action giving McCoy that same borrowed time Brees took advantage of when his team drafteda QB first. If QBs go 1,2,3 before us - we'll be first in line for the pick of the litter at WR. Then, we can start researching how Case Keenum put Houston on the map of the Top 10 this year or how/why Kellen Moore transcended Boise State to everyone knowing WHO they are and why they can win Bowl Games against bigger schools a couple rounds later. QB studs shortages always tend to push guys up higher than they should. I mean Sister Christian Ponder got benched for a track star yesterday and I think he's only won 1 or 2 games as the savior some self proclaimed draft expert was advertising. I've heard about Tannehill or Tannenbaum or Tannen's Bombs but I haven't seen any of those performers to know if they are carrying Texas A&M to new heights from his excellence or if he's just a beneficiary of the supply and demand. Last game they lost, he had a Ponderesque 2 TD passes to 3 INTs. We can already get that from McCoy and read about the complaints right?

[Enigmatic Evil]

I honestly like the idea of drafting a QB (maybe 2-4?) to push Colt but I think we need to get a decent WR in here. We can all agree that the Cribbs/Little/Whoever show isn't cutting it. That's on Shurmur, IMO. What if we need a new RB too?

Anyway, to revert to the topic question; IS Colt McCoy the Brown's Future #1?

I think the CAN be, but we have to build a better team around him. Colt isn't going to win games on his own, not without a little support. We have hopefully learned that lesson this year, because last year we had games where we won and it gave us legitimate hope, there has been no hope this year and Colt's been a part of that. He's had by no means a "good" year, IMO.

He's the #1 but his Job is not set in stone, and we could bring in a QB ready to take it, maybe Colt steps up his game a bit? Maybe not?

I voted yes, because all jokes aside I think McCoy has what it takes but not with a RB carousel, a WR carousel (arguably) and hell even instability at TE. What's Colt supposed to do about all that?

[pl4tinum]

I watched some film on RG3, and while he looks good, he's rather small. He's going to get injured alot in my opinion. I much prefer one of the other guys, even if we have to trade up. We dont want to make a mistake on this pick...

I do think Colt will play in the NFL but not on a team as bad as ours. He isnt good enough to raise us up to the level we would need to be at to be a contender right now. Put him on today's Texans team and they look real good though.

[Greythan]

If we draft a QB with one of our first round picks, it will be the defining pick of the Holmgren/Heckert era for better or for worse.

The reason is pretty simple and has already been outlined in this thread: this team clearly has needs beyond QB. So, burn one of our two coveted first round picks on a QB and you better be right.

Its big boy stuff for sure.

[Thaid_Up]

Do I want him to be--yes. Do I think he can be--yes. Do I think he'll get the chance--no. We've see the good and the bad which is to be expected early on but I truly cannot say given the supporting cast around him and all the other problems this season, lockout, new systems, etc. I fairly certain we'll draft a QB but in which round will decide if Colt will get the chance.

Just on a side note and to do some name dropping, I had a chance to talk to Chris Collingsworth this week and asked him about McCoy. He believes Colt can be a good QB if he's surrounded by excellent talent. He's firmly in the camp of "get your elite QB" and build around him. He brought up the point that, with a few exceptions, the past 15-20 Super Bowls have been the elites swapping the trophy. Just throwing that out there. We're both from Dayton so gotta go with him a bit.

[mikeyP]

I respect Collingsworth only because he is where he is. He wasn't a QB though.

Does anyone honestly think an elite QB would make this offense that much better that we would be contenders? What is an elite QB with WR's who can't catch, inept coaching and half a line that can't block?

[TheBestPlayersPlay]

Impossible to decide at this point. But he's in the process of being ruined, and probably will be without us ever knowing one way or another.

As far as RG III, I wouldn't be surprised to see him go before Barkley. I know the USC QB is a media darling, but when draft time comes, it wouldn't shock me to see him drop.

[golfer704u]

Originally Posted by mikeyP

I respect Collingsworth only because he is where he is. He wasn't a QB though.

Does anyone honestly think an elite QB would make this offense that much better that we would be contenders? What is an elite QB with WR's who can't catch, inept coaching and half a line that can't block?

Oh there are plenty of people that believe that unfortunately.