Posssibly the unspoken truth?

[hammertime]

As long as conspiracy theories are going around.....

The Browns, who have admitted to wanting to see what they have on the roster, really have no interest in winning this year.

This is brought up every year and is always diffused by commen sense.

Do you all think the Colts were as bad as they played this year?
Or did they limit the possibilities of victories by sitting idle.

The Cavs basically tanked to get Le Bum, it happens.

Shurmer may have more in store then we are let on to beleive, the Browns have had enough talent on this team to win at least 3 of the games they've lost.

Definately not playoff bound, just needing another good draft and MAJOR FA signings.

If Luck can't be aquired for a reasonble amount then keep building with McCoy as a pilot for the future. I repeat, make every reasonble attempt to get Luck, but if that fails do not reach for a Barkley or RGIII.

The model, of an AFC rival, is basically have a Cadillac waiting for the new driver(ala {Pittsburg(}.


With 2 first round picks this year, you either sweeten the pot and get Luck or make sure you get an offensive playmaker with the first and a runstopping LB with the second first.

[TheBestPlayersPlay]

If they lost on purpose this year, they even did a horrible job of that.

[Solon16]

Originally Posted by hammertime

As long as conspiracy theories are going around.....

The Browns, who have admitted to wanting to see what they have on the roster, really have no interest in winning this year.

This is brought up every year and is always diffused by commen sense.

Do you all think the Colts were as bad as they played this year?
Or did they limit the possibilities of victories by sitting idle.

The Cavs basically tanked to get Le Bum, it happens.

Shurmer may have more in store then we are let on to beleive, the Browns have had enough talent on this team to win at least 3 of the games they've lost.

Definately not playoff bound, just needing another good draft and MAJOR FA signings.

If Luck can't be aquired for a reasonble amount then keep building with McCoy as a pilot for the future. I repeat, make every reasonble attempt to get Luck, but if that fails do not reach for a Barkley or RGIII.

The model, of an AFC rival, is basically have a Cadillac waiting for the new driver(ala {Pittsburg(}.


With 2 first round picks this year, you either sweeten the pot and get Luck or make sure you get an offensive playmaker with the first and a runstopping LB with the second first.

100000000000000000000% agreee

[hammertime]

Originally Posted by TheBestPlayersPlay

If they lost on purpose this year, they even did a horrible job of that.

i don't think you tank on the feild. just do as indy has done, nothing.

[hammertime]

has indy got much heat for there suckage??

[faninthehammer]

Indy won a superbowl a few years ago and has been more than competetive every other year. 1 down year per decade is hardly going to make fans run to the hills.
hardly comparable with situation in Cleveland.
3 winning seasons in last 2 decades?

[hoorta]

Originally Posted by hammertime

As long as conspiracy theories are going around.....

The Browns, who have admitted to wanting to see what they have on the roster, really have no interest in winning this year.

This is brought up every year and is always diffused by commen sense.

Do you all think the Colts were as bad as they played this year?
Or did they limit the possibilities of victories by sitting idle.

The Cavs basically tanked to get Le Bum, it happens.

Shurmer may have more in store then we are let on to beleive, the Browns have had enough talent on this team to win at least 3 of the games they've lost.

Definately not playoff bound, just needing another good draft and MAJOR FA signings.

If Luck can't be aquired for a reasonble amount then keep building with McCoy as a pilot for the future. I repeat, make every reasonble attempt to get Luck, but if that fails do not reach for a Barkley or RGIII.

The model, of an AFC rival, is basically have a Cadillac waiting for the new driver(ala {Pittsburg(}.


With 2 first round picks this year, you either sweeten the pot and get Luck or make sure you get an offensive playmaker with the first and a runstopping LB with the second first.

1) Luck won't be available for a decent amount, and I'll wager it will take at least our two first round picks to pry Blackmon away from the Rams.

2) And a coach who tanks games (after working 16 hour days) for draft position is either
A: out of his mind
B: looking to get fired before his contract runs out

[hiwaygal]

I love conspiracy theories!!! LOL

Anyway, hammer, you make a couple of points I can kind of agree on:

That the FO/PTB (Powers That Be) had no interest in winning this year. That it was an evaluation year. Although you have to wonder why Holmy fired a guy last year because he "wasn't winning enough". He said he wasted last year and that's probably true. Last year should have been this year. Ah well, water under the bridge I suppose.

The other point you made is about having the caddy ready for the new driver. I'd like to think that's what is going on, but this draft will be about the details of that caddy. We still have enough GLARING needs that we aren't ready for the driver yet. Let's see what they do this draft.

Finally, I've heard too many interviews with players and coaches where they were asked about tanking games - losing for draft position. And all of them have basically gotten pretty pissed about that notion. Could it be one of those things that happens and no one talks about it? Maybe, but IMO doing that does more damage to the players on your roster than one high ranking rookie can fix.

[golfer704u]

Originally Posted by hiwaygal

I love conspiracy theories!!! LOL

Anyway, hammer, you make a couple of points I can kind of agree on:

That the FO/PTB (Powers That Be) had no interest in winning this year. That it was an evaluation year. Although you have to wonder why Holmy fired a guy last year because he "wasn't winning enough". He said he wasted last year and that's probably true. Last year should have been this year. Ah well, water under the bridge I suppose.

Also, was it really THAT hard to evaluate the players in the year Mangini was here? I'd say the ones they did evaluate and make decisions on they made mistakes on.

"Eh Vickers isn't that good, we'll replace him with some kid out of college"

"Jayme Mitchel will be our stud at one end"

"Chris Gocong deserves a huge contract, but we'll let Hillis swing in the wind"

[akronjoe]

Originally Posted by hammertime

As long as conspiracy theories are going around.....

The Browns, who have admitted to wanting to see what they have on the roster, really have no interest in winning this year.

This is brought up every year and is always diffused by commen sense.

Do you all think the Colts were as bad as they played this year?
Or did they limit the possibilities of victories by sitting idle.

The Cavs basically tanked to get Le Bum, it happens.

Shurmer may have more in store then we are let on to beleive, the Browns have had enough talent on this team to win at least 3 of the games they've lost.

Definately not playoff bound, just needing another good draft and MAJOR FA signings.

If Luck can't be aquired for a reasonble amount then keep building with McCoy as a pilot for the future. I repeat, make every reasonble attempt to get Luck, but if that fails do not reach for a Barkley or RGIII.

The model, of an AFC rival, is basically have a Cadillac waiting for the new driver(ala {Pittsburg(}.


With 2 first round picks this year, you either sweeten the pot and get Luck or make sure you get an offensive playmaker with the first and a runstopping LB with the second first.

This is a sloppy team. sloppy coached. we tackle, block and receive sloppy, we cover sloppy our special teams are sloppy. In crunch time the play calling is sloppy and uninspired. Given more talent I have no reason to believe this guy we have will do more with it.

[Enigmatic Evil]

You forgot sloppily ran as well joe...

Two first round picks this year, it's clear with the circumstance that Holmgren's QB boner is in full swing and he's not happy with Colt. Is Holmgren losing his sight on the principals in the heat of Cleveland's "Win now or fuck you" fan culture? It's a shame Madden happened to Hillis because I wonder what kind of year he would have had without his ego going through the roof.

Heckert's "go with what you know" ethics... they worry me as well.