We're really not that far away

[Masters]

Originally Posted by golfer704u

Thanks for the Houston game rememberance, another team that embarassed this defense. and if you even TRY to say the pass defense was good against houston, then you have lost your mind.

Hasselbeck will be retired in two years, so I doubt he'll be bagging groceries, but yeah, he embarassed even our pass defense.

Skelton will be bagging groceries

so of the 4 you mentioned. three made our defense look bad. and the other will be baggin groceries.

See my other post. Revisionist history that Hasselbeck embarassed the D (10/20 for 220 with 1/3 of those yards coming on one play).

Skelton will hardly be bagging grocieries. He might be ARZ starter next year (already has 5 4th QTR comebacks under his belt).

Shaub did not make CLEs D look bad (14/24 for 119 with a INT). Foster and Tate did (back to CLE still not being able to stop the run).

Oh, and SF didn't "call off the dogs". Like most of the other games it was all about the struggles against the run.

[Masters]

Originally Posted by akronjoe

Our defense vs the run is good till you notice every runner plows through us. we tackle poorly and take poor angles and do not hold the line all that well.
we need a DE and backups across the line. we are Improving yet average here.

At LBer we are slow. slow to react slow holding the edge and slow in coverage. we get pushed around and need a thumper like Bulloch here in free agency. we are barely Fair here.

The secondary is a mess. haden is solid yet brown and the rest of the corners are not good. The rookie may have a shot, the free agents are absolutely horrible.
safety is a total mess as every TE looks like an All pro. Ward has REGRESSED, he needs a smart player like leonard from the jets to tandem with the free agents here are horrible to that we added.

The coaching is vanilla. we are not aggressive and seem to be outcoached because we make little adjustments. We are NOT a good defense.

The secondary is far from a mess. Patterson is playing well. Young is playing out of position but for the most part holding his own. Ward had not regressed. Most scouts were talking about how his coverage had improved from last year (and it showed) before he got injured and missed the last 6 games (now on IR for the year). Ward being out has meant Adams starting at FS. Brown is showing his age at being a starter. But that's why they brought in Pattenson and drafted Skrine. It hasn't been the saftey's the TEs have been embarassing most weeks, it had be Fujita and Gocong. So the secondary is only a mess because of the injury to Ward, which has screwed up the saftey spots.

Now I am fully with you that the DE opposite of Sheard needs upgraded big time. Most runs that are killing CLEs run D are going between DT/DE and at the OLB. Sheard has improved against the point of attack as the season has gone on. But that doesn't help the other side. I am also fully with you that they need more speed at the OLB position. CLE OLBs get killed against the run and against TEs in coverage. Opponents have exploited both of those weakeness weak in and weak out.

[golfer704u]

Originally Posted by Masters

See my other post. Revisionist history that Hasselbeck embarassed the D (10/20 for 220 with 1/3 of those yards coming on one play).

Skelton will hardly be bagging grocieries. He might be ARZ starter next year (already has 5 4th QTR comebacks under his belt).

Shaub did not make CLEs D look bad (14/24 for 119 with a INT). Foster and Tate did (back to CLE still not being able to stop the run).

Oh, and SF didn't "call off the dogs". Like most of the other games it was all about the struggles against the run.

No revisionist history is now using a stat line to try and explain away how silly the D looked in that game.

[Greythan]

Originally Posted by golfer704u

No revisionist history is now using a stat line to try and explain away how silly the D looked in that game.

lol

Exactly.

[Riffer X]

There is a direct correlation in having a defense give up big stats and their offense also being able to score. If your offense doesn't score, the opposing offense gets ahead and then packs it away.

The Browns got bombed against the Titans and Texans, although it could be argued that they would have maybe held the Titans in check better if not for giving up some big plays early.

I really hate defensive stats, they are many times worse than garbage time stats from an offense that got its ass kicked most of the game but went ballistic on prevent defenses late.

[Sez.EJ]

Sheldon Brown nearing the end of the line	12-22-2011
Sheldon Brown CB CLE
Browns CB Sheldon Brown said he's willing to move to safety for the Browns next season. The Chronicle-Telegram	Brown's effectiveness is declining sharply at age 32. He's losing snaps to Dimitri Patterson and Buster Skrine, a sign that Cleveland may not want to pay his $3.7 million base salary next year. Brown has never played safety in his career.
I say stick a fork in him..he's done.

[akronjoe]

Originally Posted by Masters

The secondary is far from a mess. Patterson is playing well. Young is playing out of position but for the most part holding his own. Ward had not regressed. Most scouts were talking about how his coverage had improved from last year (and it showed) before he got injured and missed the last 6 games (now on IR for the year). Ward being out has meant Adams starting at FS. Brown is showing his age at being a starter. But that's why they brought in Pattenson and drafted Skrine. It hasn't been the saftey's the TEs have been embarassing most weeks, it had be Fujita and Gocong. So the secondary is only a mess because of the injury to Ward, which has screwed up the saftey spots.

Now I am fully with you that the DE opposite of Sheard needs upgraded big time. Most runs that are killing CLEs run D are going between DT/DE and at the OLB. Sheard has improved against the point of attack as the season has gone on. But that doesn't help the other side. I am also fully with you that they need more speed at the OLB position. CLE OLBs get killed against the run and against TEs in coverage. Opponents have exploited both of those weakeness weak in and weak out.

Our safeties are horrid covering passes over the middle and we need a serious upgrade here in free agency. we are thin at cb as well. Olb are slow yet Maiava looks improving yet small and pushed around yet quick.