Today's QB Upgrade = Tons of Points!

[lemosley01]

ESPN was speculating Luck could be worth 3 1st rounders and 2 2nd rounders if Indy were to win and STL were to lose, thus giving them the #1 overall. They seem committed to Bradford, and probably would not take Luck, instead dealing for picks.

If you're convinced Luck or RGIII is 'the guy' it seems to me you have to work a deal, but I still worry about the Browns record of seemingly screwing up QBs.

The nice thing about the rookie cap is you no longer have a bazillion dollars in guaranteed money tied up in these guys, so you can go into FA and get impact players - like WRs and other positions.

[handbanana]

Originally Posted by Sez.EJ

Solon.. If Blackmon is a Ram..which most of us believe right now. I am not sure any of the other WR's are top 5... We could go the with the best DE with that pick which would be perfectly fine by me. That would make for a amazing DL for us. .. or possibly another trade down this year. This draft is pretty deep in good WR's even if we don't get Blackmon.. Trading down may be the way to roll if someone is willing to trade up to our spot and nail us another couple high picks. We have a ton of holes to fill.

I love RG3 and really want us to go with him but I'm not so sure the front office feels the same way I do.

Saying that, and operating under the premise Blackmon doesn't make it to us, if we stay in the top five I love the idea of adding the best DE available. Currently on clear passing downs, most teams are sliding their pass protection over in Sheard's direction or having the RB or flexed TE chip on him to help the tackle. Putting a serious threat to get after the QB opposite of Sheard could transform him from a really good player to a really great player. It not only would help Sheard but it would also elevate the play of Rubin and Taylor. This scenario gives me flashbacks of the Vikings DL of a few years ago that featured Allen and Edwards at the ends and the William's manning the middle. Big difference between us and them, age.

Sez, I really am intrigued by your thoughts concerning us trading down once again. Like you said, the draft is deep with wideouts and we, as per usual, have many holes to fill. This move could also set us up to be in position to trade up for Barkley in next year's draft.

[Greythan]

Originally Posted by handbanana

This move could also set us up to be in position to trade up for Barkley in next year's draft.

Just nitpicking, but can we wait (oh, a year at least) before annointing Barkley as the QB of the 2013 draft?

[handbanana]

Originally Posted by Greythan

Just nitpicking, but can we wait (oh, a year at least) before annointing Barkley as the QB of the 2013 draft?

I hear ya, just using Barkley to represent a 2013 QB in general. Barkley is however entering next season as the preeminent draft prospect.

[Sez.EJ]

Originally Posted by handbanana

Sez, I really am intrigued by your thoughts concerning us trading down once again. Like you said, the draft is deep with wideouts and we, as per usual, have many holes to fill. This move could also set us up to be in position to trade up for Barkley in next year's draft.

Thanks Hand.. urr Banana. I would dance if Blackmon falls to us but I doubt it. Having 2 1st rounders we would be an a great position to trade down and load up. However, if there is a true stud DE with our first pick.. It would be huge for our team and defense to get a guy like that.. There are a lot of Wr's in this draft so they will be available later.. but a trade down could be huge for us.

As for DeSean Jackson.. I have mixed feelings. I had him in my fantasy keeper league for 3 years so I have seen him a whole lot. There is a lot to love about this guy..but the big negative seems to be that he dissapears for several games in a row in multiple years. I favor bigger wr's.. and he seems a bit of a me guy..but WR's are divas so ...whatever.. A GREAT thought.. get Jackson AND take a first round WR.. Get out DE in round 2, RT round 3 and then load up on LB's and db's after that.

[DaBrowns41]

The excuse for Wallace's mishap's are because we know he's not a very good QB, and he's not a legit starter in the NFL.

We're hoping McCoy will be a legit NFL starter, but he's looking far from it.

[DaBrowns41]

Originally Posted by Greythan

Just nitpicking, but can we wait (oh, a year at least) before annointing Barkley as the QB of the 2013 draft?

Well, considering he's the only player in this draft that could remotely challenge Andrew Luck as the top quarterback in the nation (maybe RGIII), I think it's safe to say that Barkley (as of now) is likely to be the #1 QB on big boards everywhere.

It's just speculation.

[Greythan]

Originally Posted by DaBrowns41

Well, considering he's the only player in this draft that could remotely challenge Andrew Luck as the top quarterback in the nation (maybe RGIII), I think it's safe to say that Barkley (as of now) is likely to be the #1 QB on big boards everywhere.

It's just speculation.

Like I said, I was just being a nitpicker but a lot can change in a year as we all know so pegging any QB slated for the 2013 draft as number one is a bit silly at this stage. That's all.

[DaBrowns41]

Originally Posted by Greythan

Like I said, I was just being a nitpicker but a lot can change in a year as we all know so pegging any QB slated for the 2013 draft as number one is a bit silly at this stage. That's all.

I don't disagree that it's a tad silly.

But you can only go based off of what we currently know, and no matter what, there is somebody already looking past the 2012 draft, to the 2013 draft (why? I have no idea), and if we do that, it only makes sense that Barkley will be the most coveted (as of now) in that draft.

But there are a ton of players that come out of nowhere each season (Hi, RGIII), and you never know what could happen.

[Flugel]

Originally Posted by DaBrowns41

The excuse for Wallace's mishap's are because we know he's not a very good QB, and he's not a legit starter in the NFL.

We're hoping McCoy will be a legit NFL starter, but he's looking far from it.

TRUE, but you can go look at Drew Brees in his 2nd and 3rd NFL season before Gates and McCardell were added. The SD front office conclusion was Brees will make a nice backup to what they did with their first overall pick (a QB).

Tampa media, fans and front office thought they overpaid the crap out of what they concluded to be a career backup answering to the name Steve Young. They sent him packing from their Arena Football caliber team at the time. New teammates Jerry Rice Rice, John Taylor and Brent Jones witnessed an All Pro as opposed to what people in Tampa saw with BAD surroundings. Some will say GOOD QBs make those around them better; but Steve Young and Troy Aikman will argue it's tough to do when you're getting concussions from suspect protection.

We'll never know what becomes of McCoy as he tries to get over a concussion. That said, we DO know how often a Peyton Manning comes around in the draft. I'd LOVE the next Peyton Manning but I just don't think it's as easy as advertised nearly every off-season leading up to the draft. What I DO hope we do differently is bring in a NEW QB that we feel comfortable enough with to honor the commitment. I'm a HUGE Andrew Luck fan but his numbers dropped when his #1 WR got injured and he was left throwing exclusively to TEs. Meaning? He needs favorable match-ups too. He didn't wake up a worse QB as some columnists have speculated while cozying up to the beneficiary throwing passes to the amazing athletes playing WR at USC. In the first 8 weeks or so in Cleveland, dropping back to throw quick and short slant passes into all the traffic in the box meant no uncontested routes or extra time to improvise as our young OGs endured plenty of growing pains. This wasn't as easy of a gig as some think it was especially for a young QB. That's why I try to dig a little deeper than just changing names of passers every other season. If we add a QB and give him what Steve Young was given back in Tampa Bay - he'll have to enjoy success elsewhere later just like Steve Young.

SD didn't realize that all they REALLY needed for a terrific QB performance to follow was to add Gates & McCardell MORE than they needed to draft a QB first overall. They went from 1 prong of attack (Tomlinson) to 3 prongs of attack. Meanwhile, how many people were eating crow about Brees being this backup QB they had convicted him to being? The breakout didn't occur until season #4. Basically, Brees needed the same things Steve Young, John Elway and Troy Aikman needed before showing his true colors. Better protection and more prongs of attack.