Andrew Luck

[Flugel]

Luck was 27 of 31. All I can say is WOW! Can you imagine if Stanford had WRs? Better yet, can you imagine if Luck had a kid like the superstar Woods kid at USC to throw to? Stanford has to have the slowest bunch of targets you can give a QB west of the Cleveland Browns; and they press a team like Oklahoma State into OT in spite of a FG kicker that missed 3 FGs yesterday.

It sure makes you wonder if Archie Manning isn't calling the shots in Indy when he made certain all the right people needed to hear the Manning family doesn't want Andrew Luck stealing Peyton's football messiah thunder. Not too much later, the guy who drafted Peyton is getting his walking papers in spite of argueably the best front office resume over a 25-30 year period.

[lemosley01]

It may make you wonder, but it sure makes me thankful if that is indeed what is going on in Indianapolis.

I want Luck in Orange-and-Brown in the worst way. I hope the FO feels that way, or we get someone...Polian...who does.

I don't care what Holmgren's past history is with drafting QBs. You'd be a fool to not make a run at him.

[golfer704u]

I just did a little research.

For those of you that say "do anything you have to to get Luck". I want you to imagine some franchises IF they had had to give up the next two years worth of first or second round picks to get the QB they got.

Indianapolis
year after Manning they draft Edgerin James in the first round. Think he made a little difference?

Dallas Cowboys.
Year after Aikman, Emitt Smith in the 1st round. two years after Russle Maryland in round 1, Alvin harper round 2.

Green Bay Packers.
Year after Rodgers. AJ Hawk in round 1, Gregg Jenning is round 2. 2 yeas after Brandon Jackson round 2, James Jones round 3.

So while I love Andrew Luck and if you could get him for ONLY our 2 first rounders this year, I'd do it in a heart beat. But there IS a point where you give up too much to get him.

Then you see if you can get RGIII although I'd be willing to give up even LESS for him.

After that is where I say Get more weapons for Colt and see if he can break out and develop above what most think his potential is.

[Legendary]

With RGIII you don't give up anything and can accelerate progress as he got athleticism and speed.

Luck might slow down progress with perhaps 2 first round and maybe 5th round choice and possibly big contract.

Colt can improve and doesn't cost any pick and build the team stronger quicker. Then we can decide in a year time if he is up to it. But will there be a QB like Luck / RGIII or Newton available to draft. I not sure, but I don't know college football.

It is Tom Heckert's dilemma to solve.

[King of Kings]

Originally Posted by Legendary

With RGIII you don't give up anything

Except the next 5 years while you wait for him to learn and adapt to the NFL game as he goes bust, not to mention a top 5 pick for the "honors."

[golfer704u]

Originally Posted by King of Kings

Except the next 5 years while you wait for him to learn and adapt to the NFL game as he goes bust, not to mention a top 5 pick for the "honors."

Actually, as much as you dislike RGIII. I actually think the best thing for him and the Colts would be for them to draft him instead of Luck. I think RGIII would be much more understanding of learning behind Manning. And that might actually be the best thing for him to let him develop the "under the center" skills he does lack at the moment.

[King of Kings]

Originally Posted by golfer704u

So while I love Andrew Luck and if you could get him for ONLY our 2 first rounders this year, I'd do it in a heart beat. But there IS a point where you give up too much to get him.

Ideally you'd spread it out a bit. The best scenario in my head would go like this....

2012-
1st
1st
4th

2013-
3rd

2014-
1st

The reason for that is because noone else could possibly match it and the Colts would be stupid to pass it up but also for another reason: It gives you wiggle room. We have a free first and 4th to throw out there this season, lose those and there's no big deal, they're extras you don't plan on anyways. With a 2013 3rd you can easily recoup a 3rd rounder next year by moving around the draft board which negates the loss of your 3rd. Likewise you can move around and either gain another 2014 2nd rounder to lessen the impact of losing your first OR much like last year you can recoup a first with some shrewd moves.

The way I look at it that would be a best case situation for both sides. The Colts get a nice stockpile of good draft picks and we spread it out enough we can make some moves and have little impact on us all while grabbing a GREAT QB prospect that will probably be "the ONE" for years to come.

[King of Kings]

Originally Posted by golfer704u

Actually, as much as you dislike RGIII. I actually think the best thing for him and the Colts would be for them to draft him instead of Luck. I think RGIII would be much more understanding of learning behind Manning. And that might actually be the best thing for him to let him develop the "under the center" skills he does lack at the moment.

I don't disagree, he definitely needs to go somewhere he can sit for a few years and learn the NFL game. I'm telling you guys, jumping from the Big 12 to the NFL is a HUGE huge leap that doesn't easily translate.

[golfer704u]

Originally Posted by King of Kings

Ideally you'd spread it out a bit. The best scenario in my head would go like this....

2012-
1st
1st
4th

2013-
3rd

2014-
1st

The reason for that is because noone else could possibly match it and the Colts would be stupid to pass it up but also for another reason: It gives you wiggle room. We have a free first and 4th to throw out there this season, lose those and there's no big deal, they're extras you don't plan on anyways. With a 2013 3rd you can easily recoup a 3rd rounder next year by moving around the draft board which negates the loss of your 3rd. Likewise you can move around and either gain another 2014 2nd rounder to lessen the impact of losing your first OR much like last year you can recoup a first with some shrewd moves.

The way I look at it that would be a best case situation for both sides. The Colts get a nice stockpile of good draft picks and we spread it out enough we can make some moves and have little impact on us all while grabbing a GREAT QB prospect that will probably be "the ONE" for years to come.

Interesting, I'm not sure that gets it done though. If it did, I probably wouldn't complain.

[Neo]

I need some clarification. There has been talk about money or contract problems if the Colts draft Luck, but here's my question. Isn't there a rookie cap with the new CBA? Everybody seems to think that they will give Luck a huge contract, but cannot do that with the new rules?

[next2nothing]

Originally Posted by Neo

I need some clarification. There has been talk about money or contract problems if the Colts draft Luck, but here's my question. Isn't there a rookie cap with the new CBA? Everybody seems to think that they will give Luck a huge contract, but cannot do that with the new rules?

I believe that whoever is saying that doesn't know what they're talking about unless the rookie cap doesn't take effect this draft.

[Dan in Florida]

I would be willing to bet anyone...No way do the Browns acquire Luck!