Offensive Coordinator

[YtownBacker]

ESPN insider blogs are reporting that the Browns will ask GB today for permission to talk to Tom Clements about their OC job.

Also that Miami wants to interview Joe Philbin for it's HC job. Philbin could take Clements with him as OC or Clements could then stay in GB as OC. But if Philibin stays at GB Clements is likely to move on. Clements is very high on Matt Flynn and says he will be a premier NFL starting QB next year.

Shurmur is also suppose to meet with Mike Sherman this week since it looks like neither TB or Miami will pick him as their HC. Chilly doesn't seem to be getting any mention. But seems our QB coach (Whipple) has been given permission to interview with some college teams as an OC.

FWIW - Rumors at best but fun to speculate this time of year.

Just a guess but maybe a new OC wants his own QB coach. Clements and Sherman are both WCO guys.

[NW Ohio Brownie]

Getting Clements would be the first step in acquiring Flynn. This move to inquire about Clements is the first clue that this organization is making Flynn priority #1 in free agency. And rightly so.

[King of Kings]

Either Clements or Sherman would be fine. I gotta agree with Brownie, if we go the Clements route there is a good chance we bring Flynn in to run his offense. Sounds fair to me.

[The Hammer]

Sherman would be a good choice, though I wouldn't want him lobbying for us to take Tannehill. I would much rather have Clements and Flynn.

[TheBestPlayersPlay]

Originally Posted by King of Kings

I gotta agree with Brownie, if we go the Clements route there is a good chance we bring Flynn in to ruin his offense.

I am fine with either guy as OC ..but not fine with bringing in a guy who is no better than McCoy to pay big $$$ to and hand the starting job. We're looking to improve, not stay < 6 wins.

[YtownBacker]

Originally Posted by TheBestPlayersPlay

I am fine with either guy as OC ..but not fine with bringing in a guy who is no better than McCoy to pay big $$$ to and hand the starting job. We're looking to improve, not stay < 6 wins.

I sorry, didn't know you were so tuned into Green Bays practices and training program that you had the book on Flynn.

At this point we don't even know the price of Flynn or if the team even wants to replace McCoy. I believe they will use there time this offseason to workout Flynn and work out RGIII and measure them and maybe some others against what they have in McCoy and where they think McCoy could take the team with better skilled players around him.

And I think we are damn lucky to have guys like Holmgren around who has been there, done that and developed guys just like this.

And again, you are right, you don't want to bring in anyone that isn't better then McCoy and all you can do is offer an opinion about Flynn because you don't have the insight, knowledge or perspective to know if he is or isn't better. Same with RGIII.

[TheBestPlayersPlay]

I have eyes and common sense. Both have suited me well thus far as I find I am rarely wrong.

No thanks on Kelly Holcomb 2.0 who has proven zero.

Holmgren has done nothing but fail for the past decade, I'm not giving him a pass on making our team worse when he's been here for over 2 years. I don't trust him, he's got nothing but a track record of failure as a front office guy. Why you have such faith in him is impossible to understand.

Holmgren has "developed" one QB into an above average NFL starter. He got a gift in Favre and had zero to do with anything else ...unless you are considering Wallace one of his success stories.

And I'll disagree ...I have the knowledge & perspective to know when I see a good football player. I've been right more than the "experts" running this team have been for the past 13 years. Football is not rocket science, sometimes I think these guys outsmart themselves. Flynn doesn't impress me in any way shape or form, anymore than Colt does. Common sense suggests, you put Colt in that cockpit after years of study and no book out on him and he lights it up as well.

The rest I agree with you on. I do have a bit more faith in Heckert, and I hope he makes the right decisions and doesn't cave to the pressure of a "czar".

[lemosley01]

Originally Posted by YtownBacker

And I think we are damn lucky to have guys like Holmgren around who has been there, done that and developed guys just like this.

And again, you are right, you don't want to bring in anyone that isn't better then McCoy and all you can do is offer an opinion about Flynn because you don't have the insight, knowledge or perspective to know if he is or isn't better. Same with RGIII.

Whoa - slow down. Holmgren has done the FO gig before and wasn't that great at it. Maybe this time will be different.

He HAS developed QBs, but he isn't developing our QBs. He has run a successful offense but he isn't running our offense. He is a FO guy now and removed from the day-to-day coaching, playbook development, and gameday calls.

It doesn't matter what Holmgren has done in the past for other teams because he isn't doing that for the Browns.

[Enigmatic Evil]

Agreed with the post as a whole, especially the bold part.

Originally Posted by lemosley01

Whoa - slow down. Holmgren has done the FO gig before and wasn't that great at it. Maybe this time will be different.

He HAS developed QBs, but he isn't developing our QBs. He has run a successful offense but he isn't running our offense. He is a FO guy now and removed from the day-to-day coaching, playbook development, and gameday calls.

It doesn't matter what Holmgren has done in the past for other teams because he isn't doing that for the Browns.

[hammertime]

Originally Posted by YtownBacker

I sorry, didn't know you were so tuned into Green Bays practices and training program that you had the book on Flynn.

At this point we don't even know the price of Flynn or if the team even wants to replace McCoy. I believe they will use there time this offseason to workout Flynn and work out RGIII and measure them and maybe some others against what they have in McCoy and where they think McCoy could take the team with better skilled players around him.

And I think we are damn lucky to have guys like Holmgren around who has been there, done that and developed guys just like this.

And again, you are right, you don't want to bring in anyone that isn't better then McCoy and all you can do is offer an opinion about Flynn because you don't have the insight, knowledge or perspective to know if he is or isn't better. Same with RGIII.

This next draft, FA signings and season are all very pivotal moments for the entire organization.

All the 'evaluating' should be complete at this point. I'm expecting good solid decisions from our front office.

As long as we don't give up any picks to get Flynn i'm fine with it. Even though McCoy has shown us next to nothing i'm thinking we continue to build around him. We need touchdowns!! That is the goal with our first pick. Second pick is to help out the LB spot with some serious attitude and talent.

[Legendary]

Originally Posted by The Hammer

Sherman would be a good choice, though I wouldn't want him lobbying for us to take Tannehill. I would much rather have Clements and Flynn.

Who is Tannehill ?

[YtownBacker]

Originally Posted by TheBestPlayersPlay

I have eyes and common sense. Both have suited me well thus far as I find I am rarely wrong.

No thanks on Kelly Holcomb 2.0 who has proven zero.

Holmgren has done nothing but fail for the past decade, I'm not giving him a pass on making our team worse when he's been here for over 2 years. I don't trust him, he's got nothing but a track record of failure as a front office guy. Why you have such faith in him is impossible to understand.

Holmgren has "developed" one QB into an above average NFL starter. He got a gift in Favre and had zero to do with anything else ...unless you are considering Wallace one of his success stories.

And I'll disagree ...I have the knowledge & perspective to know when I see a good football player. I've been right more than the "experts" running this team have been for the past 13 years. Football is not rocket science, sometimes I think these guys outsmart themselves. Flynn doesn't impress me in any way shape or form, anymore than Colt does. Common sense suggests, you put Colt in that cockpit after years of study and no book out on him and he lights it up as well.

The rest I agree with you on. I do have a bit more faith in Heckert, and I hope he makes the right decisions and doesn't cave to the pressure of a "czar".

Put your hate aside guy. Holmgren led the Packers and Seattle to the Super Bowl. The draft picks he made as GM in Seattle were the key parts of the team that went to the big game.

Since you are never wrong you must have had a small memory lapse about Holmgren and QBs. Let's start with San Frn where he worked with Montana and then brought in a guy he coached in college named Steve Young and mentored him into a pro bowl QB.

Off to Green Bay where Wolf traded to get a raw kid named Bret Favre who was mentored by Holmgren to become.....well we know. Well Favre was doing his thing he also drafted a guy named Mark Brunell and mentored him as a backup until they traded him to Jax. There were also others that were hit and miss like Detmer and a guy named Hasselback.

Off to Seattle where he traded for Hasselback and mentored him into a pro bowler and super bowl QB. And yes, there was Wallace who played some receiver for him at first and a credit that he could take someone who wasn't close to a NFL QB and make him a journeyman that could last in the league for so long.

But, again I agree with you it isn't what he did in the past it's what he can do for the Browns now. And with his past record of developing QBs I think he's a great voice to help determine who the QB will be going forward for the Browns.

I know he did you wrong by firing your boy Mangini but you shouldn't hold it against him. Because Mangini certainly didn't do shit with the QB situation while he was here. He didn't win games and his offense was crap. He built an old team of past their prime veterans and was still losing. Heaven forbid you could understand that it takes more then one year to turnover one of the oldest rosters in the league in one year after letting Mangini go.

Get over it man. I'm not saying McCoy is the answer. I'm not saying Flynn is the answer or that RGIII isn't the answer. I'm saying that we have a good football man here that can help make the right decision based on experience.

BTW, if you think Heckert is good (which he has proven everywhere he's been) then you got to understand that he was Holmgren's first choice to run this team. After that everything else is a work in progress and you can't blame this FO for what happened before they got here.