Browns Coaching Hire - Cromwell

[Fooleeze]

I didn't see where anyone posted this, I'm sure others have seen it. Nothing too significant, just an offensive assistant. But does it concern anyone that this guy has tons of ties to the Holmgren/Shurmur? Why does it feel like people aren't hired based on qualifications, but based on connections.



Cromwell hired by Browns

By Matt Florjancic, ClevelandBrowns.com Staff Writer
Posted 23 hours ago
The Browns have added Nolan Cromwell to the coaching staff for the 2012 season.

The Browns have made one addition to their coaching staff.
On Wednesday, the team hired Nolan Cromwell as a senior offensive assistant. Cromwell replaced Keith Gilbertson, who retired after spending 2010 as the Browns’ director of pro personnel and the senior assistant – offense in 2011.
Cromwell brings 18 years of NFL coaching experience to Cleveland, most recently serving as the wide receivers coach for the St. Louis Rams in 2010 and 2011.
Cromwell was the special teams coordinator of the Green Bay Packers from 1992-97 under current Browns president Mike Holmgren and later worked with the wide receivers in both Green Bay (1998) and Seattle (1999-2007). Cromwell also served as the offensive coordinator at Texas A&M University in 2008 and 2009.
Cromwell’s coaching career began in 1991 as a defensive/special teams assistant with the Rams in 1991.
During the 1996 season with the Packers, Cromwell’s punt team had an NFL best average of 15.1 yards per return. Cromwell had five players named NFC Special Teams Player of the Week in 1996, the same year in which the Packers won Super Bowl XXXI. Cleveland native and Packers special teamer Desmond Howard was named Super Bowl XXXI MVP after scoring on a 99-yard kickoff return.
Prior to his coaching career, Cromwell was a second-round choice (No. 31 overall) of the Rams in the 1977 NFL Draft. Cromwell spent all 11 of his NFL seasons with the Rams and was a four-time Pro Bowler. He also earned NFC Defensive Player of the Year honors in 1980.
Cromwell retired as the Rams’ franchise leader with 671 return yards on 37 career interceptions.

[next2nothing]

Originally Posted by Fooleeze

I didn't see where anyone posted this, I'm sure others have seen it. Nothing too significant, just an offensive assistant. But does it concern anyone that this guy has tons of ties to the Holmgren/Shurmur? Why does it feel like people aren't hired based on qualifications, but based on connections.

Holmgren wants his guys on the staff.

I don't agree... but it is what it is.

[TheBestPlayersPlay]

Is it a Lamonte client? If so I will LOL.

[Sez.EJ]

That's how everyone get's jobs.. who you know..not just the NFL.

[Legendary]

He probably know he can do a job so he will hire his friend rather than a person he never work with.

Would you do the same ? (Probably)

Let hope he will fix our poor underperforming Special team / wide receivers

[King of Kings]

LMAO another fucking Holmgren lackey handed a fat contract, go figure.

[King of Kings]

Originally Posted by Fooleeze

But does it concern anyone that this guy has tons of ties to the Holmgren/Shurmur? Why does it feel like people aren't hired based on qualifications, but based on connections.

You mean like this?

LaMonte Cleveland Syndicate-

Boss: Mike Holmgren
Underboss: Bryan Wiedmeier
Consiglere: Gil Haskell
Street boss: Tom Heckert

Capo:
Pat Shurmur

Soldiers:
Mark Whipple

Family Media Handler: Vic Carucci

Potential Associates:
Mike Sherman
Brad Childress

Holmgren Family Associates:
A.J. Durso
Tom Headlee
Dick Jauron
Ray Rhodes
Dwaine Board
Chris Beake
Kent Johnston
Mark Schiefelbein
Keith Gilbertson
Mike Wilson
Nolan Cromwell

Heckert Family Associates:
Jon Sandusky
John Spytek
Johnathon Stigall
Bill Davis

1: Those in bold are Bob Lamonte clients.

2: You counted correctly, we currently employ FIFTEEN of Holmgren's failures in the NFL butt buddies with MORE on the way. We employ 5 of Heckerts drinking buddies two of which burned out their NFL welcome elsewhere(Davis, Whipple) and three who were sent packing from the Eagles when they realized Heckert and his staff were nothing more than Andy Reid's lackey's.

It feels like we're not hiring based on qualifications because we're not. We're hiring largely based on the criteria of "you're one of Holmgren's buddies and you need a job so come to Cleveland and collect a fat paycheck!"

3: It SHOULD concern you, it's the same bullshit Butch Davis pulled and the same shit Phil Sewage pulled only on a MUCH larger scale. This entire team from the top down is being built to look like a twin to the 1999-2003 Seahawks. For those keeping score at home the Seahawks sucked balls during that era until they fired the GM and demoted most of these useless clowns. The highlight of that era was a 10-6 record in the easiest division in the NFL and one and done in the playoffs. That's what we're being built for, mediocrity and it SHOULD concern you.

[nickers]

Originally Posted by King of Kings

You mean like this?

LaMonte Cleveland Syndicate-

Boss: Mike Holmgren
Underboss: Bryan Wiedmeier
Consiglere: Gil Haskell
Street boss: Tom Heckert

Capo:
Pat Shurmur

Soldiers:
Mark Whipple

Family Media Handler: Vic Carucci

Potential Associates:
Mike Sherman
Brad Childress

Holmgren Family Associates:
A.J. Durso
Tom Headlee
Dick Jauron
Ray Rhodes
Dwaine Board
Chris Beake
Kent Johnston
Mark Schiefelbein
Keith Gilbertson
Mike Wilson
Nolan Cromwell

Heckert Family Associates:
Jon Sandusky
John Spytek
Johnathon Stigall
Bill Davis

1: Those in bold are Bob Lamonte clients.

2: You counted correctly, we currently employ FIFTEEN of Holmgren's failures in the NFL butt buddies with MORE on the way. We employ 5 of Heckerts drinking buddies two of which burned out their NFL welcome elsewhere(Davis, Whipple) and three who were sent packing from the Eagles when they realized Heckert and his staff were nothing more than Andy Reid's lackey's.

It feels like we're not hiring based on qualifications because we're not. We're hiring largely based on the criteria of "you're one of Holmgren's buddies and you need a job so come to Cleveland and collect a fat paycheck!"

3: It SHOULD concern you, it's the same bullshit Butch Davis pulled and the same shit Phil Sewage pulled only on a MUCH larger scale. This entire team from the top down is being built to look like a twin to the 1999-2003 Seahawks. For those keeping score at home the Seahawks sucked balls during that era until they fired the GM and demoted most of these useless clowns. The highlight of that era was a 10-6 record in the easiest division in the NFL and one and done in the playoffs. That's what we're being built for, mediocrity and it SHOULD concern you.

Seens like your the only fan just falling apart at the seams....It must suck to be you.

[Sez.EJ]

Originally Posted by King of Kings

You mean like this?

LaMonte Cleveland Syndicate-

Boss: Mike Holmgren
Underboss: Bryan Wiedmeier
Consiglere: Gil Haskell
Street boss: Tom Heckert

Capo:
Pat Shurmur

Soldiers:
Mark Whipple

Family Media Handler: Vic Carucci

Potential Associates:
Mike Sherman
Brad Childress

Holmgren Family Associates:
A.J. Durso
Tom Headlee
Dick Jauron
Ray Rhodes
Dwaine Board
Chris Beake
Kent Johnston
Mark Schiefelbein
Keith Gilbertson
Mike Wilson
Nolan Cromwell

Heckert Family Associates:
Jon Sandusky
John Spytek
Johnathon Stigall
Bill Davis

1: Those in bold are Bob Lamonte clients.

2: You counted correctly, we currently employ FIFTEEN of Holmgren's failures in the NFL butt buddies with MORE on the way. We employ 5 of Heckerts drinking buddies two of which burned out their NFL welcome elsewhere(Davis, Whipple) and three who were sent packing from the Eagles when they realized Heckert and his staff were nothing more than Andy Reid's lackey's.

It feels like we're not hiring based on qualifications because we're not. We're hiring largely based on the criteria of "you're one of Holmgren's buddies and you need a job so come to Cleveland and collect a fat paycheck!"

3: It SHOULD concern you, it's the same bullshit Butch Davis pulled and the same shit Phil Sewage pulled only on a MUCH larger scale. This entire team from the top down is being built to look like a twin to the 1999-2003 Seahawks. For those keeping score at home the Seahawks sucked balls during that era until they fired the GM and demoted most of these useless clowns. The highlight of that era was a 10-6 record in the easiest division in the NFL and one and done in the playoffs. That's what we're being built for, mediocrity and it SHOULD concern you.

So how is that different from any other nfl team? Marty had his own brother as DC in Kansas City, Buddy Ryan hired his sons, Shannahans kid is his OC. Kubiak who is a Shannahan offshoot also had kyle Shannahan as OC in Houston, You bring in people you know and trust. Jeff Fischer got hired in Miami, first thing he did was grab his old Titans DC from the Rams. He also has employed his kid Josh and wanted his kid blake as his new DC which was one of the reasons he was fired in Tenn. Jerry Jones children all work for the Cowboys, dc mike Zimmer employs his son Adam Zimmer, Josh McDaniels hired his brother as a coach when he was in Denver. Bill Polian hires son Dennis Polian in Indi..and ummm Ohhhh, and his son Chris Polian too. 3 Generations of Rooneys have run Pissburgh

Hmmm just a problem in Cleveland???

See any trends???.. This is the way of the world..not just in Cleveland. You hire people you know and trust.. I got the job I have today from a friends referral. Matter of fact, most of my jobs have come from friends referrals. I have been in the same job for 16 years so it's been a while since I have looked for a job, but when I think back.. that's how I got most of them.

[Solon16]

Maybe someone will listen to him and make Safety a priority! I really liked him as a safety for the Rams back in the Day!

[Enigmatic Evil]

Originally Posted by TheBestPlayersPlay

Is it a Lamonte client? If so I will LOL.

Beat me to the punch with this one Gabe...

Really, the guy's the president. Of course he's going to go to people that he knows for jobs first. That's usually how people operate in general. I know thats probably what I would do in his position. Go to people I know for titles they are QUALIFIED FOR (maybe that's the biggest difference between Holmgren and myself?)

Originally Posted by King of Kings

It feels like we're not hiring based on qualifications because we're not. We're hiring largely based on the criteria of "you're one of Holmgren's buddies and you need a job so come to Cleveland and collect a fat paycheck!"

3: It SHOULD concern you, it's the same bullshit Butch Davis pulled and the same shit Phil Sewage pulled only on a MUCH larger scale. This entire team from the top down is being built to look like a twin to the 1999-2003 Seahawks. For those keeping score at home the Seahawks sucked balls during that era until they fired the GM and demoted most of these useless clowns. The highlight of that era was a 10-6 record in the easiest division in the NFL and one and done in the playoffs. That's what we're being built for, mediocrity and it SHOULD concern you.

You take this in stride, and really you have to wonder how Randy Lerner hasn't put two-and-two together especially with his office RIGHT FUCKING NEXT TO HOLMGRENS... Holmgren's got to be a hell of a pitch man. I would love to hear him on the sell, I bet he's got a hell of a charisma when he's going for something he wants as opposed to when he's being blindsided by the media during a token press conference appearance.

I'm not getting into this too heavily because this is why i've been steering clear of the board for the last little while but you really have to start to wonder after a while just what we're trying to accomplish here and if next season leads to more incompetency and mediocrity, will Randy Lerner have the sense to say enough is enough and maybe make SOME demands of the man HE hired to make this team a WINNER?

I appreciate that Randy Lerner is a "fan from birth" and all but I'd love to see an Owner who TAKES SOME RESPONSIBILITY FOR HIS FUCKING FOOTBALL TEAM...

*endrant* (some of that should have posted in the lerner thread but this applies here as well).

Shurmur needs the help, but if this guy is a consultant akin to Haskell "consulting" Holmgren then fuck right off. Based on his job description, he's not the OC we're looking for... am I right?

[King of Kings]

Naturally Sez with the spin.

Originally Posted by Sez.EJ

So how is that different from any other nfl team?

Other teams don't have a fucktard ex Coach making the football decisions and ,making the decision to hire every last one of his bitch boy lackeys in EVERY FACET of the team.

Originally Posted by Sez.EJ

Marty had his own brother as DC in Kansas City, Buddy Ryan hired his sons, Shannahans kid is his OC. Kubiak who is a Shannahan offshoot also had kyle Shannahan as OC in Houston,

Stop right there. You are talking about Coaches PICKING THEIR STAFFS. That isn't what is here and it isn't the same no matter how hard you try and spin it. This is a team President hiring HIS buddies for EVERY position available. My list above and the hiring of Cromwell proves Shurmur isn't picking HIS hires, Fatass in the F.O. is.

Btw, your examples kinda suck anyways because you're trying to throw out this guy or that guy who gave a friend or family member a job here and there and claiming it is no different that Holmshit hiring every last one of his useless and jobless buddies. BIG difference.

Originally Posted by Sez.EJ

Jeff Fischer got hired in Miami,

Fisher got hired in Miami? Someone better tell the Rams, they're going to be pissed Miami hired the Head Coach they just hired to a huge contract.

Originally Posted by Sez.EJ

first thing he did was grab his old Titans DC from the Rams.

Wait, so Jeff Fisher(STL) is now the HC of the Dolphins and Greg Williams didn't leave his job with the Saints to go to St. Louis but he actually left St. Louis to go to Miami?

Originally Posted by Sez.EJ

He also has employed his kid Josh and wanted his kid blake as his new DC which was one of the reasons he was fired in Tenn.

Incorrect.

Originally Posted by Sez.EJ

Jerry Jones children all work for the Cowboys,

As ticket sales, one scout and his daughter runs the charity and works in marketing, yet again a far cry from the precedent being set in Cleveland.

Originally Posted by Sez.EJ

dc mike Zimmer employs his son Adam Zimmer,

That's news to the Saints, they're going to be PISSED one of their coaches is secretly working for another team.

Originally Posted by Sez.EJ

Josh McDaniels hired his brother as a coach when he was in Denver.

Yes clearly Josh McDaniels hiring his brother as Assistant Offensive Line coach is the exact same thing as Mike Holmgren hiring all of his buddies.

Originally Posted by Sez.EJ

Bill Polian hires son Dennis Polian in Indi..and ummm Ohhhh, and his son Chris Polian too.

And they were what, again? Oh, right.... Irsay fired all of them.

Originally Posted by Sez.EJ

See any trends???..

Aside from that you're either making things up(Fish to Miami, Gregg Williams was Rams DC and not Saints DC, Zimmers kid working for the Bengals while working for the Saints, ect ect ect) to try to make your point or you really, really don't pay much attention to the NFL and know little about it? Well I learned there's no length you'll go to try and defend the 3 Stooges running this team.

Originally Posted by Sez.EJ

This is the way of the world..not just in Cleveland. You hire people you know and trust.. I got the job I have today from a friends referral. Matter of fact, most of my jobs have come from friends referrals. I have been in the same job for 16 years so it's been a while since I have looked for a job, but when I think back.. that's how I got most of them.

Alright cool, we're comparing it to real life now? Okay so Holmgren is CEO. He's hired his inept, in over his head and unqualified nephew to upper Management then handed out jobs to all of his drinking buddies who have been fired from the competition, the competition kicking this companies ass day in and day out because they suck at their jobs.

I can tell you right now that in the real world? That shit wouldn't fly. Either the business would go under or the owner would clean house before they went out of business. There isn't a single example out there of a business hiring their competitions garbage after their competition fires them and that company succeeding. There is no other example in the NFL of a Team President hiring every last one of his buddies after they get fired from somewhere else and succeeding. That is because it's planning for failure.

Only in Cleveland would an Owner not only NOT do a doubletake but only in Cleveland would fans defend that shit as okay, acceptable, fine.