The Browns Staff Is Set up For Success... and so is Shurmur... 4 head coaches

[PlaygroundLegend]

Mike Holmgren
Brad Childress
Dick Jauron
Pat Shurmur

What do they all have in common?

They were all are or have been head coaches of NFL franchises at some point. These guys have all had serious experience running teams, and dont forget, not just anyone gets the honor to be an NFL head coach, you usually have to be good at what you do.

I'd say were in a pretty good position

Not to Mention the fact that Tom Heckert is the shit....

[damajuki]

Originally Posted by PlaygroundLegend

Mike Holmgren
Brad Childress
Dick Jauron
Pat Shurmur

What do they all have in common?

They were all are or have been head coaches of NFL franchises at some point. These guys have all had serious experience running teams, and dont forget, not just anyone gets the honor to be an NFL head coach, you usually have to be good at what you do.

I'd say were in a pretty good position

Not to Mention the fact that Tom Heckert is the shit....

Is this an ironic post, PGL? Are you joshing? I mean, really, is this a serious OP? Are we to discuss how great our coaching staff is with a straight face?

Okay, let's play for a minute. Yes, you usually have to be good at what you do to be an NFL HC. Unfortunately, three of the four of them were actually deemed "not good" and therefore are no longer NFL HC's. Those same three were also unemployed for good reason for some time before landing their cushy, consequence-free Cleveland retirement party.

And the fourth one only has his job thanks to his Uncle Mike and Great Uncle Bobby. After one less than brilliant year as an OC, he gets a HC gig without any serious competition because he's...what?...just that good? Really?

No, unfortunately, as any avid reader of clevelandfrowns.com can tell you, there is way too much smoke to the LaMonte fire not to believe there is only ONE explanation for why any washed-up former coach gets a job in Cleveland: because Bob LaMonte says so.

And so the Cleveland LaMontes have simply added another lucrative contract to the payrolls -- and another 10% (or whatever rate he demands) into Bob's pockets.

Oh, but right, it's about football acumen. Great. Then yes, huzzah, I celebrate this latest hire with a rousing endorsement of this fine collection of spectacular coaches who all share the trait of championship-caliber football, er, long-term success and stability, er, wait, I mean, experience rebuilding franchises, um, close connection with the local media and fan base, grr, uh, adherence to modern, cutting edge football systems, dammit, almost, SHARING A COMMON INTEREST IN LINING THEIR POCKETS IN CLEVELAND!!!

YESSSS!!! GO TEAM!!! WOOOHOOO!!!

#sigh #sadwhenitstrue #sarcasmhurts

[brownie]

Damajuki, you can't add coaches in the middle of the season and get a plan in place. The lock out hurt more than just a lost training camp. The new coaches couldn't see what type of players we had, the free-agency period was a joke, no time to put in the playbook and plenty of other problems because of the lock out. I think we are putting together a staff to compete for time to come not just the next year or two. I'm willing to give them a chance to do their thing and then I will weigh in on the job they are doing.

[King of Kings]

Originally Posted by brownie

Damajuki, you can't add coaches in the middle of the season and get a plan in place. The lock out hurt more than just a lost training camp. The new coaches couldn't see what type of players we had, the free-agency period was a joke, no time to put in the playbook and plenty of other problems because of the lock out. I think we are putting together a staff to compete for time to come not just the next year or two. I'm willing to give them a chance to do their thing and then I will weigh in on the job they are doing.

You were saying?

[handbanana]

Originally Posted by King of Kings

You were saying?

Harbaugh's experience this season definitely throws some cold water on the lack of offseason argument, but he absolutely had better circumstances to operate under than Shurmur. I think the biggest advantage he had was experience being a head coach, he better understood operating the big picture. I don't think you knock Shurmur for his lack of success under tough circumstances, but rather praise Harbaugh for his ability to overcome such obstacles. He was the exception, not the rule.

Rivera? Please dude. You don't get to rant about "Scam" Newton every chance you got and then use his head coach as an example of someone who overcame the lack of off season to find success. Unless you want to admit Newton is actually good and you we're wrong.

[damajuki]

Actually, HB, you can praise Rivera and think Newton sucks. Don't agree with you there at all.

Especially because the Newton story line totally overshadowed how totally and unbelievably DECIMATED the CAR D was this year. Rivera had every bit the same issues Shurmur had and did a lot better with the hand he was dealt.

Of course, he also had Chud on his staff, who appears able to craft an offense to fit his talent, as opposed to crafting an offense to fit...I'm not sure what.

You can defend Shurmur, if you'd like, and he could improve, sure. But facts are facts. The guy got a HC job because of who he knows and who is agent is and not because of his exemplary performance at any stop in his career.

Again, apples to apples here, Lerner hired Mangini -- who was attacked from the jump by Grossi and the Cleveland press, even though he had a successful track record as HC -- and then gave him exactly one year before imposing a new FO on him and effectively changing directions.

Now we are supposed to believe this regime is the right one and all the ex-head coaches on our staff indicates we are destined for success despite their track records showing otherwise?

C'mon, man. We have such a loser's mentality it's absurd. Three former (with good reason) head coaches and a guy no one else seriously considered for a HC gig and we are supposed to feel good about this group based on Holmgren's stamp of approval? Or Lerner's?

Please. I may be stuck with these guys, and I certainly will cheer for the players brought in, but let's not take this rose-colored glasses stuff to absurd levels here.

We have a staff full of losers and has-beens. Thems just the facts.

[Vegasdogg]

Only in Cleveland would a fan base split apart over Mike Holmgren. Only in Cleveland would a crappy ass 12 years turn this fan base on its head and make it lose its freaking mind.

A comment was made by a member of this board that Mike Holmgren is not the HC of this team, nor is he the GM, nor is he the QB guru.

Wait, wait, wait ......WHAT???

I admit the HC and GM thing, but did you just say "he is not the QB guru?"

W
T
F
?

Only in motherfucking Cleveland would the term "he is not a QB guru" and Mike Holmgren be heard in the same sentence. Let's put this nto perspective shall we:

Water is wet
Wood comes from trees
Homlgren is a QB guru.

So with that as a segway, I will now spill my Love Affair of Mike Holmgen before the board so that you haters with have some understanding why I am the way I am. It is not just some "next guy" up syndrome I have. It is based in facts.

Sooooooooooooo.....................

Uh dude, you don't stop being a franchise QB guru. You either are a great developer of the positon or you aren't, but there is no off switch. Come on now, this guy has coached or developed/discovered Joe Montana, Steve Young, Matt Hassleback, Brett Favre, Mark Brunell. Who else has a roster like that of QB's developed? Someone please tell me who out there in the last 30-40 years that has a QB resume like Mike motherfucking Holmgren. Save yourself the trouble - NOBODY has this guys resume --- it's not even close. Not even in the ballpark.

You do NOT have to coach to develop a QB. You don't have to coordinate to develop a QB. You can be President and develop a QB, especially since your Mike motherfucking Holmgren and can seemingly do it over the phone or email, let alone as President of an NFL franchise. I don't care if Mike was cleaning out office wastebaskets, he can develop the fucking NFL starting QB.

Shit mofo he also develops coaches: Ray Rhodes, Steve Mariucci, Andy Reid, Dick Jauron, Jon Gruden.
(may not mean much to haters but Belichick has a tree worth shit - at least Andy Reid went to the SB, and Jon Gruden won a SB. Bills tree has how many playoff apperances????)

His coaching mentors???
BYU - the great LaVell Edwards
SF - the great Bill Walsh
(both coaches of football champs!!)

His championship resume?
College Player -- USC 1967 Nat'l Champs
College Coach -- BYU 1984 Nat'l Champs
NFL Asst Coach -- 49ers Super Bowl Champs (XXIII and XIV)
Head Coach -- Green Bay Packers Super Bowl Champs (XXXI) and runner up (XXXII)
Head Coach -- Seattle Seahwaks Super Bowl runner up (XL)


He was also Prep-Player of the year in high school, and was drafted by the Cardinals in the 8th round in 1970.

Do you see a common denominator? Yeah thats right -- winning. Not just winning a lot of games, but winning it ALL. At every fucking level. Everywhere this guy has gone he has won the ultimate championship at the pinnacle division in each level.

HS
College
Pros

WON
IT
ALL

And did it in convincing fashion. And then went back and did it again. And then moved to a different team and did it again.

Green Bay was awful. As in non-relevant in their sport. BAM! 2 Super Bowls.
Seattle was awful. As in non-relevant in their sport. BAM! Super Bowl
Cleveland awful. As in non-relevant in their sport. BAM! "He sucks!" Huh?


And yet somehow, someway, he has come to Cleveland and turned into a total fucking moron, forgot how a team wins a championship at ANY fucking level, let alone the NFL.

He develops HOF QB's (college HOF and NFL HOF) but somehow when he comes to Cleveland and drinks the local water he turns into an retard judge of QB talent.

LMAO -- only in Cleveland I swear to god. ONLY IN CLEVELAND!

People please.

The man won at the HS level, the college level, and the NFL level. And his teams didn't get lucky or win by flukes. They fucking dominated and were awesome. Literally he was part of innovative and powerful offenses that were never stopped.

He comes from the great coaching tree of Paul Brown, Sid Gilman and Bill Walsh.

Nigga please. GIVE ME A MOTHERFUCKING BREAK already. This is the closest your generation will ever come as Browns fans to the genius we had with Paul Brown. Not quite mind you but close.

So tell me was Paul Brown a fucking moron as President of the Bengals when he took the team to the Super Bowl not once but twice in the 80's?

Fucking Browns fans talking shit like Holmgren lost it or never had it.

LMMFAO!! Nigga puh-lease bounce that shit outta here

[lemosley01]

Originally Posted by vegasdogg

Only in motherfucking Cleveland would the term "he is not a QB guru" and Mike Holmgren be heard in the same sentence. Let's put this nto perspective shall we:

Water is wet
Wood comes from trees
Homlgren is a QB guru.

I've said many times that Holmgren is not the guy coaching our QB(s). Stop making this argument that because he is a good QB guy, somehow our QBs must be good.

When he spends everyday in practice coaching our QBs, THEN I'll say it matters that he is a QB guru. Until then, it doesn't amount to a hill of beans.

The only thing that matters is how good of a FO guy he will be because THAT is his role now. What he did in the past that wasn't FO work doesn't indicate he'll be good at THIS role, just like 'great player' doesn't translate into a good coach.

[Vegasdogg]

Originally Posted by lemosley01

it doesn't amount to a hill of beans.

Let me just say this: Mike motherfucking Holmgren can somehow turn into the crippled Bran Stark of R.R. Martin's "Game of Throwns," morph into a Dierwolf, howl out instuctions, and develop an NFL QB.

Mike Holmgren watches film.
Mike Holmgren watches film of NFL QB's.
Mike Holmgren watches film of college QB's.
Mike Holmgren coaches his coaches.
Mike Holmgren coaches his QB's.

Make no mistake about this - at all. Mike Holmgren was brought here to find the franchise QB, make sure that QB is taught the way Mike Holmgren wants him taught, and that's that. He sits with his QB, he watches film with his QB, and he tutors and mentors his QB.

He was not brought here because he can sell seats and hire coaches. Mike motherfucking Holmgren is the man in the building who will find the QB.

Yikes you guys keep looking at him like the typical president. He isn't.

He is Mike Motherfucking Holmgren, QB Fucking Guru!

[YtownBacker]

Vegas.............the haters don't want to hear. the haters just want to spew venom and when it turns around they will be standing on the side of the road with their thumbs out trying to hitch a ride back on the bandwagon.

They will say we were holding out hope or they will say deep down we were pulling for him. For now they are just wanting to hate on everything Cleveland and will try to find the negative in everything.

[handbanana]

Originally Posted by damajuki

Actually, HB, you can praise Rivera and think Newton sucks. Don't agree with you there at all.

Especially because the Newton story line totally overshadowed how totally and unbelievably DECIMATED the CAR D was this year. Rivera had every bit the same issues Shurmur had and did a lot better with the hand he was dealt.

Of course, he also had Chud on his staff, who appears able to craft an offense to fit his talent, as opposed to crafting an offense to fit...I'm not sure what.

You can defend Shurmur, if you'd like, and he could improve, sure. But facts are facts. The guy got a HC job because of who he knows and who is agent is and not because of his exemplary performance at any stop in his career.

Again, apples to apples here, Lerner hired Mangini -- who was attacked from the jump by Grossi and the Cleveland press, even though he had a successful track record as HC -- and then gave him exactly one year before imposing a new FO on him and effectively changing directions.

Now we are supposed to believe this regime is the right one and all the ex-head coaches on our staff indicates we are destined for success despite their track records showing otherwise?

C'mon, man. We have such a loser's mentality it's absurd. Three former (with good reason) head coaches and a guy no one else seriously considered for a HC gig and we are supposed to feel good about this group based on Holmgren's stamp of approval? Or Lerner's?

Please. I may be stuck with these guys, and I certainly will cheer for the players brought in, but let's not take this rose-colored glasses stuff to absurd levels here.

We have a staff full of losers and has-beens. Thems just the facts.

First off Carolina won 6 games, so I guess I should have just shredded KOK's argument by pointing that little fact out. He won 6 games with a number one overall draft pick QB, who set about 15 NFL records in his rookie season. Shurmur won 4 games with a 2nd year third round QB choice. I'd hardly call that doing a lot better with the hand your're dealt. Rivera, as with Harbaugh was put into a much better situation to succeed than Shurmur was.

With that out of the way, I guess that you're trying to say that Newton had nothing to do with the wins Carolina had this year and it was the genius that is Rivera coaching up his decimated defense to secure those wins. Don't want to put words into your mouth, but that is just the impression I am getting.

I don't want to get into an argument over Cam Newton, feelings run very strong with opinions on him and it would devolve into nothing more than a mindless argument and not a debate worth merit.

Shit, this post is all over the place. My point was to not have on "rose colored glasses" concerning Shurmur and our current regime, I was trying to have on "reality based glasses." One new coach had overwhelming success this season, you can't constantly bring up Harbaugh as the rule and Shurmur as the exception. Doesn't work that way.

Yes, it is a fact that Shurmur did not look very good in his first season, but so have a lot of head coaches that went on to have success. It's like people have had selective amnesia and completely ignored the lockout this past season and the fall out surrounding that. The jury is still out on Shurmur, and frankly still out on Harbaugh.

[Legendary]

but would Jim Harburgh get same success for 49ers for Cleveland Browns in AFC North Division instead of NFC West Division. I doubt it.