The RGIII Draft

[Thaid_Up]

Didn't see the interview but heard that RGIII would love to go to Indy and sit behind Manning til it's time. Does anyone believe that and his potential lead Indy to keep Manning and take a pass on Luck? If RG is the answer it lets Indy keep their hero which will probably keep the fans happy. I don't see it but stranger things have happened.

[Masters]

I saw his interview. He was pretty much just trying to sell him self to be #1 over all. He thinks he's good enough to go number one.

[Masters]

Originally Posted by Sez.EJ

Why I say RG3 is a project..
2008 baylor went 4-8,
2009 went 4-8,
2010 went 7-6...
20011 went 10-3

So it appears he was a project in college.. How much more in the NFL.. I say take a QB in the later rounds if we are just getting another project.. fill the other big holes with our high picks.

You really can't base him being a project based on a teams record (it's a team game). By that logic any player you draft who was on a team that wasn't winning is a project. In 2009 he only played in the first 3 games before he had his ACL injury. When you look at the growth he showed from 2010 to 2011 you can see he how he has come along. Have you gone and watch a few hours of his play? If not, I'd say go watch that first then decide what kind of project you really think he is.

Not to mention every player drafted is really a project.

[lemosley01]

Originally Posted by Sez.EJ

Why I say RG3 is a project..
2008 baylor went 4-8,
2009 went 4-8,
2010 went 7-6...
20011 went 10-3

So it appears he was a project in college.. How much more in the NFL.. I say take a QB in the later rounds if we are just getting another project.. fill the other big holes with our high picks.

1) Every single QB who comes into the high school, college and pro ranks is a 'project' - they ALL have stuff to learn. If you aren't a better QB when you enter the NFL than when you entered college, then someone didn't do their job or you didn't do yours.

2) Notice how their record improved as he and the players around him improved? Isn't that what you want to see? The question is - did he make the guys around him better or vice-versa? I'm going to guess #1 - it isn't exactly like Baylor is a choice destination for top blue-chip prospects.

Manning had stuff to learn when he came into the NFL. With the wrong coaching, he could have busted. I don't think Luck or Griffin are 'sure' things, but they seem to be as sure as we've seen in quite a long time.

[Solon16]

Originally Posted by Sez.EJ

Why I say RG3 is a project..
2008 baylor went 4-8,
2009 went 4-8,
2010 went 7-6...
20011 went 10-3

So it appears he was a project in college.. How much more in the NFL.. I say take a QB in the later rounds if we are just getting another project.. fill the other big holes with our high picks.

so if my public school education serves me...win/loss=25-25 with RG3 from 2008-2011

From 1997-2008 Baylor had a win/loss record 25-85 ...DUDE!!! He beat TX and Okla.

Again this equates to a QB taking Indiana to prominence and beating OSU and Michigan in the same season!

[Sez.EJ]

So it's a lot like McCoy beating the saints and Patriots 2 years ago??? just kidding.. but seriously

I will give you something a little more concrete on why I think RG3 looks like a project..this is why:

He seems to have problems reading defenses and has mechanics flaws with that 3/4 throwing style. He runs around a lot which hides a lot of his footwork issues too. He has serious happy feet in the pocket.. NFL qb's cannot survive long that way. Also, you cannot be running around like that in the nfl or you end up injured every year like Michael Vick. he also seems indecisive in the pocket frequently and takes a ton of sacks. 27 last year (in only 13 games).. NFL DE's are not so easily run away from either.. He already blew out a knee which is another strike. He also mostly worked as a shotgun qb, so he has to learn how to take snaps from under center..that takes time to adjust to..This will ADD ADDITIONAL footwork drills that are already questionable.. So yeah.... I see him as a project in the NFL. He looks a whole lot like Andre Ware to me.. amazing.. absolutely amazing college QB.. but... NFL bust. ...

I am not saying he sucks..he does not.. He has a great arm and seems to be very accurate. and he runs like the wind. He is the 2nd best QB in the draft.. but he does not come without a lot of issues..which scares the heck out of me. If we draft him.. I will support him..but I'm against the pick.

[damajuki]

Originally Posted by Sez.EJ

Why I say RG3 is a project..
2008 baylor went 4-8,
2009 went 4-8,
2010 went 7-6...
20011 went 10-3

So it appears he was a project in college.. How much more in the NFL.. I say take a QB in the later rounds if we are just getting another project.. fill the other big holes with our high picks.

Sez, to paraphrase the great Inigo Montoya: I do not think this means what you think it means.

Because apparently your definition of "project" means a freshman starter who scored 28 TDs (15 passing, 13 rushing) before getting hurt his sophomore year (after scoring 6 TDs in three games) and then going on to put up 30 TDs (22 pass, 8 rush) before last year's Heisman trophy campaign of 47 TDs (37/10)?

Honestly, you must not have even bothered to look at RG3's career stats. If you had, I can't believe you would have drawn this conclusion because the numbers are eye-popping. Like Roger Rabbit-style.

You mention wins and losses but did you bother to look at the SCORES of those games? In every loss in 2008 and 2010 they gave up AT LEAST 31 points. In the three games to end 2010 to OKST, A&M and OU, they gave up 55, 42 and 53, respectively. RG3 wasn't great in those three games (a combined 2 TDs and 3 INTs), but he certainly wasn't the reason they lost.

So now let's look at the 2011 campaign. Defense: STILL HORRIBLE. RG3: OFF THE CHAIN PHENOMENAL.

In their three losses, to KSTATE, A&M and OKST they gave up 36, 55, and 59. Hell, even in their wins the least they gave up was 24 to Texas and 26 to Iowa State.

Most importantly, in the biggest games, RG3 was a stud. In that loss to KSTATE: 5 TDs. In the wins against MIZ and OU he went 400+ with 7 passing TDs.

Best of all though? Only 6 picks. ALL YEAR.

So...if by "project" you mean "guy who got progressively better at passing the football while remaining threat to run who clearly led classic doormat to prominence against all odds", then yeah, wow, sign me up for that project buddy because if he could do that for BAYLOR then why the HELL couldn't he do that for CLEVELAND?

[damajuki]

Originally Posted by Sez.EJ

So it's a lot like McCoy beating the saints and Patriots 2 years ago??? just kidding.. but seriously

I will give you something a little more concrete on why I think RG3 looks like a project..this is why:

He seems to have problems reading defenses and has mechanics flaws with that 3/4 throwing style. He runs around a lot which hides a lot of his footwork issues too. He has serious happy feet in the pocket.. NFL qb's cannot survive long that way. Also, you cannot be running around like that in the nfl or you end up injured every year like Michael Vick. he also seems indecisive in the pocket frequently and takes a ton of sacks. 27 last year (in only 13 games).. NFL DE's are not so easily run away from either.. He already blew out a knee which is another strike. He also mostly worked as a shotgun qb, so he has to learn how to take snaps from under center..that takes time to adjust to..This will ADD ADDITIONAL footwork drills that are already questionable.. So yeah.... I see him as a project in the NFL. He looks a whole lot like Andre Ware to me.. amazing.. absolutely amazing college QB.. but... NFL bust. ...

I am not saying he sucks..he does not.. He has a great arm and seems to be very accurate. and he runs like the wind. He is the 2nd best QB in the draft.. but he does not come without a lot of issues..which scares the heck out of me. If we draft him.. I will support him..but I'm against the pick.

Sez, you posted this after I posted my reply.

This makes more sense and I can understand your concern. But those concerns have been addressed on this very board.

So what it comes down to is: fear. Which I honestly don't understand any more from any Browns fan. We've tried EVERY kind of QB since 1999 -- except the winning kind.

And now we have a REAL CHANCE to land a TOP TALENT at the most important position on the field and we should pass because...he might fail?

Huh?

Anyone we draft might fail and most who the Browns drafted HAVE failed so what in hell do we have to lose? We won't become playoff contenders in 2012 or 2013 with a top DE or CB, guaranteed, but we might if we hit it big with RG3.

That's the point I'm making.

[Alo]

Originally Posted by damajuki

So...if by "project" you mean "guy who got progressively better at passing the football while remaining threat to run who clearly led classic doormat to prominence against all odds", then yeah, wow, sign me up for that project buddy because if he could do that for BAYLOR then why the HELL couldn't he do that for CLEVELAND?

Yes.

[Bronx Cheer]

Dama and Alo and others who like RGIII - would you trade up to #2 to get him?

[Legendary]

I would chat with the Rams first to see if there is any offer and if there is need to trade up I would offer 2nd round pick and number 4 pick in first round. I will not give up 22nd pick for 1st round as we need Kendal Wright.

[Masters]

Originally Posted by Bronx Cheer

Dama and Alo and others who like RGIII - would you trade up to #2 to get him?

Would depend on the asking price. If the price to get to to #2 was CLEs #4 and #22 (if you go by the value point chart, this is what it would take for close to equal value) or CLEs #4 and #36 (my preference) I would be okay with either of those. If the price was more than than either of those I wouldn't care for it, unless the additional pick was a 6th or 7th rounder.