Draft "what if"

[nickers]

Originally Posted by damajuki

In the OP's scenario, you take RG3 in a second.

RG3 is #2 on most people's draft boards. There literally isn't another player with his potential in the draft, or perhaps anywhere. And he happens to be a QB, which we desperately need.

Blackmon wouldn't have gone even top 10 last year, let alone top 5. So would you want the -- at best -- third best receiver in the last two drafts instead of potentially the next big rookie QB?

It's one thing to like Colt and want to be patient; I can understand, though not support, that idea. It's another thing entirely to pretend RG3 isn't that good and that Blackmon is a better prospect. Neither is accurate.

And its another thing to Pretend hes gonna just get drafted and play like a 3 year veteran...It aint gonna happen...Its a big leap from College to NFL and I dont want to wait another 2-3 years for some new fangled QB to catch up.

[ramrod]

Originally Posted by nickers

I dont want to wait another 2-3 years for some new fangled QB to catch up.

Ummm....... Call me stupid but that's where we are. We don't have a option. If you haven't noticed, the Brady Quinn's, Derek Anderson's and Colt McCoy's are just not getting it done. Even if we had to "wait 2 or 3 years"........ Its better than what we have been doing. I will take waiting 2 to 3 years over 10 -20 years any day.

[ramrod]

How could you not want this guy?




Robert Griffin III hoping Colts draft him, pass on Andrew Luck

Posted by Michael David Smith on February 4, 2012, 10:51 AM EST

AP
Robert Griffin III, the Heisman Trophy-winning Baylor star who’s widely regarded as the No. 2 quarterback in this year’s NFL draft, was in Indianapolis on Friday for some Super Bowl media appearances. And he said he’s hoping to be in Indianapolis for years to come.

Griffin told Don Banks of Sports Illustrated that he’s still holding out hope that he, and not Andrew Luck, will go first overall to the Colts.

“It’s going to be a great experience at the combine, talking to all the NFL teams,” Griffin said. “Hopefully I’ll end up here via the draft.”

Colts owner Jim Irsay has mentioned both Griffin and Luck as the players the Colts might take first overall, and Griffin said it was gratifying to hear the Colts’ owner mention his name.

“That’s huge,” Griffin said. “It’s every kid’s dream. Every kid wants to be the first pick in the draft. I wouldn’t say no to it. I’m glad he at least put me in that conversation and hasn’t already made it a foregone conclusion that he’s going with Andrew, like a lot of people have.”

Griffin said he has nothing against Luck but he doesn’t hide the fact that he views Luck as his competition, and he takes pride in beating out Luck for the Heisman Trophy, even though Luck entered last college football season as the favorite for the award.

“He was the de facto Heisman winner and the de facto No. 1 pick,” Griffin said. “We already took one of those from him and we plan to continue to go out there and do that. Whether it’s with the first pick in the draft, a playoff win, or who goes to the first Super Bowl. I will use that as a driving force, whether I go first, second, third or fourth in the draft. The fact I wasn’t out there with people believing in me is going to be the key to drive me to be a better player. So it’ll always be a competition between me and Andrew, just because we’re in the same class and the media is going to paint it that way. I don’t have anything against him, and he doesn’t have anything against me. We’re just competitors.”

There’s no doubt that the team that drafts Griffin will have itself a competitor.

[YtownBacker]

Originally Posted by ramrod

Maybe, maybe not. I think Lerner may be for sure. Holmgren? Not so much. He's been doing it to long to fall into that trap. He will say the right things and all that good stuff. IMO, he's to smart for that shit. I guess I'm one of the few that believes he is our best option to turn this thing around (unless B.B is willing to leave N.E and come back). Especially since we returned. Stick to script instead of skipping scenes. That's are only option at this point. The good news is, when we get this offense thing under control we are going to be pretty damn good. Who better to do that then our front office?

There may only be two of us left on this board that thinks Holmgren and Heckert are going to be the answer and knee jerk reactions should but put aside. I also respect their opinions on who the HC is and think he can progress into a very good one.

Sometimes HCs are the scapegoat for bad talent or underachieving players. I think this season was more about a lack of talent then it was bad coaching.

That said, if RGIII is a product of the Big 12 then how can you think Blackmon isn't. I think Blackmon will be a good NFL reciever, but I don't want to spend a #4 pick on a guy who might only end up as good. I see Blackmon and I see Crabtree. Same size, same speed and same college production out of the Big 12. I see a good receiver not a #1. I believe their will be options just as good at #22.

I trust Heckert and his scouts to due all their homework and decide if RGIII is the real thing or not. I see him as a higher option at #4 then I now do Blackmon. But, April draft is still a long way off and we have to go through FA first.

I say don't take your eyes off of Coples just yet. That is if they satisfy their QB needs or decide they don't have QB needs this year.

[next2nothing]

Originally Posted by nickers

And its another thing to Pretend hes gonna just get drafted and play like a 3 year veteran...It aint gonna happen...Its a big leap from College to NFL and I dont want to wait another 2-3 years for some new fangled QB to catch up.

No offense but McCoy isn't exactly playing like a 3 year veteran either. Even though RG3 may not play like a 3 year veteran right away, I feel he has more upside than any QB we have currently. I gave McCoy all the chances I could and I was really high on him after he got the starting nod his rookie year and how well he played given that he was a rookie on a talentless team. But I just don't see him transforming into "the guy" even with the addition of better talent.

I'm not all in on RG3, but at this point if we take him, I won't be upset. No matter what way we go in Draft/FA there will be more growing pains ahead.

[Masters]

Ytown, I don't see the Crabtree/Blackmon comparison. No one was comparing Crabtree to TO coming in. Outside of listed height/weight (eye ball tells me Blackmon is bigger), the comparison ends there. Blackmon seems able to get off of press coverage which Crabtree seems to struggle with, Blackmon looks like a more polished route runner than Crabtree is/was, Blackmon with bigger hands, better skill at getting the ball at the highest point, etc.

[YtownBacker]

Originally Posted by Masters

Ytown, I don't see the Crabtree/Blackmon comparison. No one was comparing Crabtree to TO coming in. Outside of listed height/weight (eye ball tells me Blackmon is bigger), the comparison ends there. Blackmon seems able to get off of press coverage which Crabtree seems to struggle with, Blackmon looks like a more polished route runner than Crabtree is/was, Blackmon with bigger hands, better skill at getting the ball at the highest point, etc.

He may be the best receiver in the draft but I just don't think he is an elite receiver. He's just the best this year.

Neither Crabtree or Blackmon faced much press man in college. I see him working against a lot of zone when I watch his clips. We usually see things close to the same and I'm not saying that Blackmon won't be a good receiver but I just don't see him as a #1 WR and that's what I want from a #4 pick. I see a WR that runs a 4.56 and overwhelmed defenses in the Big 12. He also comes with some baggage, not as much as Crabtree but he isn't the clean off the field, high motor on the field guy you would like. He will raise some eyebrows and have to sell himself in interviews.

But I can accept all that if he could show me that he can stretch the field and get separation from pro corners. I'm just not sure he can be elite doing either. Do you see that much difference between him and Floyd or Jeffery. I only see one top receiver with burner speed and that's Wright.

It's hard using a #4 pick on a guy if you think he has holes in his game or has limitations that would keep him from become elite at the next level. It's not just my opinion, it's been written a lot by a bunch of scouts and draft analysts that have seen him a lot more then I have.

[Sez.EJ]

Blackmon is still the pick.. Unless Luck is there at #4.. Blackmon is the pick. I am perfectly fine to roll with Colt another year. I really don't think we know what he has. If we bring in competition that's fine too..but I disagree with burning a high draft pick on a QB not named Luck. So many QB's were taken last year..then there is Manning who will fill one teams QB need. I could see bringing flynn here.. the other side of this with so many QB's drafted last year.. there will be a glut of QB's that are there in the 2nd and 3rd and 4th rounds if we really want to bring in competition.. I don't see RG3 as anything but the same project that a QB in rounds 2,3 or 4 would be..so I disagree with drafting him in round 1.. That's just my opionion.

[Riffer X]

I like Blackmon a lot and have for awhile. I don't get too caught up in the flat out speed stuff, I think if a guy can play he can play. I do believe we need a speed guy, however we can get him, but first and foremost we need some talented and skilled guys in here. Blackmon is good in traffic and to me, plays faster and bigger than what he lists on paper. My favorite part of his game is how he can position his body to make the catch and at the same time cut to open space. He has savvy the likes that Momass has never had and never will, and hopefully Little will get.

I see a guy who will be really good in this WCO we run, a physical guy who knows the ball is his. Anybody coming out of the Big Twelve anymore seems to have question marks because they play defense there about as good as the MAC. It really comes down to scouting and seeing the overall ability, not stats and measurables IMO.

To that point, another Big Twelve guy I love is Broyles later on due to his injury. I just see a potential 10 year starter in the league who is steady year in and year out ala Welker. We need speed, but we first have to get some guys who can play here, what we watched last year with the receiver corps was abysmal and they helped Colt none.

Who knows, Heck may have some guys he thinks he can get in the later rounds that are more worth the investment than Blackmon would be. He has already said you can get good skill players farther down in the draft, so I would be somewhat surprised here early on if he took Blackmon at four.

Whatever they do, we need guys who can play now, not projects etc. I am willing to wait on Broyles to fully recover, but the rest I would like to be ready now. A Wright type and a FA like Bowe would be really nice, but I don't think Wright makes it to us for our second pick, he is the top speed guy out there and we aren't the only team wanting speed. We need TE's too!!!

[brownsdownunder]

Being a tired Browns fan due to our never ending passing failures, the one thing i really like about RGIII is his deep passing accuracy from an entertainment perspective. I long for more deep passes, a 100 catch and 1, 000 + yard receiver with a QB who puts up big numbers.

But in watching RGIII, i noticed he almost always threw to an open WR. Again, being Australian you'll have to forgive me because i really only have access to his highlights but every time he went deep he had a man with at least 3ft separation. I don't mean to take away from his accuracy which is great, but when he's throwing in to short coverage in the NFL it's going to be much harder.

I support getting RGIII but only if it's at #4 and we can get Wright with the Atlanta pick, if not another who falls back (Which i don't care for, Wright has the speed and chemistry that makes this duo worth it).

I just like our position. Both these players would be valuable to us. We can trade up (ugh, please don't) if we really need too and we can trade down. We have a list of about 5 players who could fall in our lap which is utterly brilliant. Over all, with the last two drafts the Browns have won my trust to not overly question who they take.

[C_Money187]

Blackmon is a much more polished recevier than Julio Jones. Jones is just a beast, flat out. Blackmon has better hands and a better route runner.

[damajuki]

Originally Posted by nickers

And its another thing to Pretend hes gonna just get drafted and play like a 3 year veteran...It aint gonna happen...Its a big leap from College to NFL and I dont want to wait another 2-3 years for some new fangled QB to catch up.

OR...he could play like two other rookie QBs did last year.

I'm not sure what "new fangled" means but if it means "new generation of athletic QB ready to step in and play quickly" then I can see what you're saying.

Wait. No, that's what I think "new fangled" means. My bad.

So I disagree with you. I want me some of that "new fangled" football with the forward passing and such!