Draft "what if"

[brownsdownunder]

In the debates surrounding RGIII or Blackmon, the big basis on the acquisition of either seems to be on trading up. Why not get hypothetical?

If by the miracle of some omnipotent entity we say the Rams grab Dwayne Bowe in Free agency then they probably draft Kalil and it would possibly leave us with RGIII and Blackmon.

Who would you most want then?

So much i see fans talking about the worth of the two via moving up or down rather than who is most important, and most likely to excel in our system and under our coaches. Which of the two can bring us the most success. If we cannot focus on simply who is best, then the answer will never have any validity.

They both have big ups. But if you had to chance to pick between both at #4, then who would you pick?

[nickers]

Originally Posted by brownsdownunder

In the debates surrounding RGIII or Blackmon, the big basis on the acquisition of either seems to be on trading up. Why not get hypothetical?

If by the miracle of some omnipotent entity we say the Rams grab Dwayne Bowe in Free agency then they probably draft Kalil and it would possibly leave us with RGIII and Blackmon.

Who would you most want then?

So much i see fans talking about the worth of the two via moving up or down rather than who is most important, and most likely to excel in our system and under our coaches. Which of the two can bring us the most success. If we cannot focus on simply who is best, then the answer will never have any validity.

They both have big ups. But if you had to chance to pick between both at #4, then who would you pick?

Blackmon is a bigger need at this point.

[brownsdownunder]

I agree.

RGIII is going to be a very good player, but not one of those players you just cannot pass up.

Blackmon has the same potential to be a star, which goes in has favor because we need a star wide out.

It also gives Colt another chance, he deserves it and I'm impressed by what he's done with an offense that looks lost and no real power at wide out. If it doesn't work out, there is always more QB's coming through every year.

I will quickly say though, if our defense continues the development they are showing (which i think they will) then that may be enough to give Colt a real boost towards a 4th year. Greg Little in his 3rd and Justin Blackmon in his second would just be a more lethal weapon. Our defense was the deciding factor in a few games in 2011 and if they are better in 2012 it will take the pressure right off Colt if he could throw for at least 3, 500 yards and a 20/10 touchdown to interception ratio which isn't overly that much development on 2011. Anything more and he solidifies himself.

[brown_bagger]

I may be alone on this but the only person that will likely be available at #4 that is the safest bet and truely worth the pick will be Claiborne. That will give us one of, if not the best, CB tandem in the league. Now more than ever this is important, since the NFL has turned into a predominantly passing game.

As for RG3, I feel that he would be an upgrade at QB and will do well at the next level, although he's not a sure bet, especially given the talent we have on offense right now.

I do see WR as our biggest need, but I don't feel like Blackmon is worth a #4 pick. I see him more as a Michael Crabtree type receiver in the NFL, not a Calvin Johnson or A.J. Green player. That being said we would do better with either: Jeffery, Floyd, or Wright with the #22 pick.

[pl4tinum]

You take RG3, especially with the rookie salary cap. No question. Get a Wr at 22.

[ramrod]

Julio Jones is way faster and just as big. If we were going to go that route we would of went that route last year.

To answer your question, is there still doubt who we would take if they are "both" there at #4?

[Riffer X]

Blackmon can ball, regardless what he combines out at, but it is pretty high for him at pick 4.

I would be in favor of dropping back some, but I can only imagine the fan backlash if they do it again.

I will also add that a stud RDE would take this defense to a whole other level, much more than another CB would IMO.

[ramrod]

Originally Posted by Riffer X

Blackmon can ball, regardless what he combines out at, but it is pretty high for him at pick 4.

I would be in favor of dropping back some, but I can only imagine the fan backlash if they do it again.

When you listen to the fans on how to run your organization, is how you become the Cleveland Browns. Hell just listen to "some" peoples opinions on this site.... Im sure we're more dedicated and know more than the average fan.

[Riffer X]

Originally Posted by ramrod

When you listen to the fans on how to run your organization, is how you become the Cleveland Browns. Hell just listen to "some" peoples opinions on this site.... Im sure we're more dedicated and know more than the average fan.

I get that, but it's not just the fans per say, it's the collective media etc. Grossi has been especially critical of the trade downs for example.

Not saying they would listen to the fans verbatim, but I think they are more cognizant now of fan perception of the organization in general.

[ramrod]

Originally Posted by Riffer X

I get that, but it's not just the fans per say, it's the collective media etc. Grossi has been especially critical of the trade downs for example.

Not saying they would listen to the fans verbatim, but I think they are more cognizant now of fan perception of the organization in general.

Maybe, maybe not. I think Lerner may be for sure. Holmgren? Not so much. He's been doing it to long to fall into that trap. He will say the right things and all that good stuff. IMO, he's to smart for that shit. I guess I'm one of the few that believes he is our best option to turn this thing around (unless B.B is willing to leave N.E and come back). Especially since we returned. Stick to script instead of skipping scenes. That's are only option at this point. The good news is, when we get this offense thing under control we are going to be pretty damn good. Who better to do that then our front office?

[damajuki]

In the OP's scenario, you take RG3 in a second.

RG3 is #2 on most people's draft boards. There literally isn't another player with his potential in the draft, or perhaps anywhere. And he happens to be a QB, which we desperately need.

Blackmon wouldn't have gone even top 10 last year, let alone top 5. So would you want the -- at best -- third best receiver in the last two drafts instead of potentially the next big rookie QB?

It's one thing to like Colt and want to be patient; I can understand, though not support, that idea. It's another thing entirely to pretend RG3 isn't that good and that Blackmon is a better prospect. Neither is accurate.

[ramrod]

Originally Posted by damajuki

In the OP's scenario, you take RG3 in a second.

RG3 is #2 on most people's draft boards. There literally isn't another player with his potential in the draft, or perhaps anywhere. And he happens to be a QB, which we desperately need.

Blackmon wouldn't have gone even top 10 last year, let alone top 5. So would you want the -- at best -- third best receiver in the last two drafts instead of potentially the next big rookie QB?

It's one thing to like Colt and want to be patient; I can understand, though not support, that idea. It's another thing entirely to pretend RG3 isn't that good and that Blackmon is a better prospect. Neither is accurate.

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