Overall draft thoughts

[ramrod]

I think overall it was decent not great and not terrible.

I keep on thinking about a CB and safety in rounds 1 and 2 and its mind blowing. But then I think if we would have taken McCoy with our 2nd pick and T.J Ward with our 85th pick I would have been ok with this. So its all good. That WR we picked up late I think has a chance to be something. Hardesty is a good pickup but will not blow peoples hair back. We should have taken Clausen in the 2nd. No doubt. And we should have taken Spiller, Bryant or McClain with the first. How do we trade up and take Hardesty instead of Tate? I dont understand. I thought was why we traded up to get right in front of Sea. cause you knew Caroll was taking him.

But it is what it is. If McCoy ends up being great then its worth it. Just him alone. Our 7th pick is going to be a slot guy this year, wahoooooooo.

[Dan in Florida]

Originally Posted by Legacy Fan

I'm satisfied with our draft overall. I'd have been happy with Colt in 2 or even after 30, so nabbing him at 85 was a steal. I obviously love the Haden pick.

I just hope we arent eternally haunted for passing on Golden Tate to get Hardesty. I like Hardesty, just didn't think RB was a need. Oh well.

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[Greythan]

I really don't dig college football. As a result I'm probably the least qualified to rate a draft. Skip this post if the aforementioned qualifier is meaningful to you.

Haden
Like the pick. Highly rated from a big program. Huge position of need. I really don't know who else we could have taken with Suh/Berry off the board. I still think that Sheldon Brown may end up playing some safety for us even if its from the corner position (i.e., I could see him filling a traditional safety spot in zone packages for example.)

I like that with Brown/Haden we've gotten a TON more physical at corner. Will help big time against the running game.

Ward
I have to trust Heckert & Co's evaluation of this guy as the best DB on the board when we selected. Presuming he lives up to his evaluation, super pick. Why? We don't have any safeties on the team right now other than a mediocre Elam.

Love that he's known as a hitter. As I alluded to in my thoughts on Haden, I think we can play the personnel game on obvious passing downs if Ward's "centerfield" skills are lacking. Ward becomes our SS in standard sets and enforces the middle of the field on short passes and brings the wood against the pass.

Hardesty
We needed more depth at RB. That part is good.

I remain concerned, however, about our receiving corps and our lack of edge rushers on defense. I have to presume that we simply didn't see other options here with Hardesty's "rating" in those areas. Hopefully this kid proves hardy (sorry for the pun) and is productive.

McCoy
Great pick. Cheap investment for the third rated QB in this draft. I know it was a weak QB draft according to the pundits, but think about it. We got the third rated QB for a third round pick. Consider McNabb was the third QB taken in his draft. Yeah, no downside here only upside.

The rest
Lauvao. We needed to draft some OL. Nice job!

Mitchell. Developmental WR? Anyone remember Hubbard's rep? Yeah, low expectations here for me. Every year some combine freak is drafted at WR who "catches with his body" and "is a weak route runner". They turn into players once a millenia. We'll see.

Geathers. He has the right name. I'm good drafting on DNA this late.

EDIT: Woops, forgot Asante. Well, just add him under the Ward comments. They look to be somewhat similar in strengths/weaknesses from what little I've read on Asante.

[TheBestPlayersPlay]

Good stuff in this thread. Here's a nice summation of our draft, and a draft grade from our friend over at http://clevelandfrowns.com

It was what everyone expected from the beginning, yet somehow came to forget. With yesterday's selection of Joe Haden, the Browns filled a position of great need with an elite prospect, the top-ranked player at his position, one of the draft's top athletes, a three-year starter and two-time national championship winner from college football's elite conference who by all accounts is a good kid.

Even better, experts say that he still has "a great deal of upside," which makes sense because the former high school quarterback has only been playing cornerback for three years. The National Football Post's Wes Bunting goes as far as to say that Haden "[p]ossesses more upside than any corner in this year's draft and is only starting to scratch the surface of his potential."

With no franchise apparently willing to move up to the draft's seventh slot, it's especially hard to fault the Browns for declining to go in another direction here. While the feeling was that the air had been let out of Brownstown's balloon with the Chiefs' selection of Eric Berry, we have to assume that much of that air was pumped up by the football press's draft mis/over-analysis machine. Haden was everyone's guy two months ago when this process kicked off. In fact, Haden to the Browns felt like such an inevitability two months ago that there wasn't much to say about it at all; which would have been fine, unless you operated an NFL draft mis/over-analysis machine. So in the intervening two months we were treated to things like overblown concerns about 40-yard dash times, related reports about what Mike Lombardi "keeps hearing," and a wide-scale buy-in of the notion that Scott Pioli wouldn't draft the next Ed Reed/Polamalu because "highly drafted safeties are dangerous." And who could forget about Jared Odrick's tenure as a top ten pick?

For another reminder of how far we've come in this circle, it's worth a look back at one particularly stunning ESPN/Todd McShay pageview grab from early February ("Hey, look, Gerald McCoy will go first!")-- the first mock where anyone had Berry falling to seven (probably even the first mainstream mock that had anyone but Haden going to the Browns) -- in which McShay didn't call a single one of the top twenty picks correctly, and only one of the thirty-two picks in all.

After all this, hearing Haden's name called by the Browns last night was almost like meeting him again for the first time.

Of course, the trade for Sheldon Brown had an impact here too, and at least made Haden's selection less of an inevitability, but the secondary was a primary position of weakness even after the addition of Brown. The seemingly plausible idea of moving Brown to safety was floated in Philadelphia and discussed here, and while Tony Grossi wrote that "Mangini said there are no plans to move Brown to safety," it appears that he hasn't at all ruled out the possibility.

"I think that you can never have too many good corners," Mangini said. "One of the things you've seen throughout the division . . . a lot of teams we play . . . have many good receivers. We're probably going to be in multiple-defensive-back sets, whether that's three corners or some combination of that. I have used corners in the past to play safety that have then come down and covered slot receivers so that you don't have to substitute."

Relatedly, Mangini noted that, "[w]hoever the third [cornerback] is, those guys play between 300 and 500 plays and play a big role on special teams."

Reports that the Tebow-child told the Browns that he'd "take Haden with [him] wherever [he] goes" are encouraging; as well as that Haden "embodied all the core characteristics that [Mangini] seeks in a player."

Per Grossi:

"He did a great job the day he visited," Mangini said. "You could feel the intensity, feel the passion, you could see what a smart guy he was, how much he cared about playing football and continuing to improve. It was real. I don't think there was anybody that met him that didn't feel that way."

All of which jibes with our earlier conclusion that Haden isn't a jerk. Haden comes from a relatively close-knit family, and has endured an intense personal tragedy in the accidental death of his college girlfriend. To the the idea that it's relatively hard to find "a young man who would be guaranteed at least $15 million and still stay hungry and determined," it's worth remembering that Haden's been driving nice cars since he was a teenager, having traded in a Mercedes for a 1997 Crown Victoria that had been painted "Gator-orange."

It's a nice thing that Haden won't need a new paint job, and that he gets to trade up again -- from Gator-blue to Brownie-brown.

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A related interesting bit about the Haden selection relates to highly questionable reports that the Browns' front office was "split" between Haden and Boise State cornerback Kyle Wilson.

Charles Robinson of Yahoo Sports reported that: "This represents the first Holmgren/Mangini split on a pick. Mangini wants Wilson, Holmgren is nodding to Haden."

Peter King said, "Make no mistake about it: Joe Haden is new GM Tom Heckert's man."

Without any more detail, we have to dismiss these reports as essentially meaningless. Of course, the sources of reports like this know that their leaks are sure to generate "intrigue" from the crowd. But why isn't the crowd's first reaction to ask where this information could possibly be coming from? Think, the Cleveland Browns as an organization has absolutely no interest in information about any front office split getting out -- remember, they're all "Cleveland Browns decisions" now. So if this source is from within the organization, it's a source that's acting outside of the interest of the organization; really, a mole. Of course, any such source has her/his own agenda, and thus is inherently not credible.

And why we should trust a source from outside of the organization (like say, someone from another front office whom the Browns might have called to see about trading down) as to this kind of information is anyone's guess. As we know, these guys are all trying to eat each others' lunches. Everyone in every NFL front office has an interest in making things harder on folks in the other front offices; and as we know, there are plenty in the media and in the NFL who've staked their reputations on the notion that Mangini is some kind of goon.

I'd love to hear a response from Peter King or Charles Robinson on these questions about their "reports," (yes, I am questioning their sources), but as long as the crowd keeps eating these reports up without asking the right questions, self-interested sources will keep floating them out there.

WKNR's Aaron Goldhammer, who spent the whole evening in Berea, told me last night that nobody in the Browns organization was seriously discussing Wilson with the seventh pick, and that any discussion about Wilson only related to trading down.

Browns Draft Overview and Official Draft Grade


The original plan was to pack a comprehensive review of all seven of Cleveland's picks from the second and third days of the draft in one post, but with training camp nearly a full three months away there's no need to rush, and with so much information to cover, it will be better treated in several posts over the span of this week.

We'll start this morning with some big picture thoughts concluding with the release of our official final grade for this year's draft haul.

First, a question: What's a "reach"? Of course, big media's NFL draft mis/over-analysis machine doesn't shut down once the picks are made. A corollary to the all of the useless noise generated before the draft are the nearly-as-meaningless draft grades that the machine spits out in the days that follow.

Nearly as meaningless but not quite because at least the grades can take positional need into account, but where these grades seem to go especially bad is in their quickness to dub a particular pick a "reach." Mel Kiper's summary review of the Browns draft is typical of the rest here by echoing a common refrain in response to the second-round selections of T.J. Ward and Montario Hardesty. REACH ALERT!

Cleveland clearly liked T.J. Ward, but could have gotten him later than No. 37. Montario Hardesty could be a really good back, but he's also been hurt, and again, it didn't seem necessary to trade up for him.

It didn't seem necessary to trade up for Hardesty. Cleveland could have gotten Ward later than No. 37. And Kiper knows this because neither he nor his buddy McShay had either player ranked as highly as the Browns did. Or is it because NFL franchises are so transparent with respect to their draft plans that Kiper knows just where Ward and Hardesty were ranked on every other team's board?

On the other side of this coin are the Ratbirds who everyone (including Kiper) is lauding this morning because they landed in Sergio Kindle and Terrence Cody a pair of big name guys from big name programs (2009 B.C.S. title game programs, actually) who slid further than the "experts" had them pegged.

So you see how this works? First, Kiper and McShay rank the players highly, credibility enhanced by the players' status as big names on BCS title game programs ("Hey, I've seen those guys on TV so they must be good!"), then when the players slip, it's not Kiper and McShay who were wrong about them, it's the 31 NFL franchises who passed on them. "Kindle and Cody both in the second round!?!? We love them!!! A-plus-plus-plus-plus!!"

Actually, how about triple-D? If you want to feel at least a little bit better about the Ratbirds' draft, and your breakfast is already safely digested, have a look here (WARNING: VERY NSFW). It's understood that Ozzie Newsome's resume contributes to the grades here; the point is that Ozzie's resume might be the only truly significant factor contributing to these grades. As reader Josh points out via email, former "can't miss" types who end up slipping in the draft might even throw up bigger red-flags because it means that all 32 teams have effectively cut through all of the media-manufactured hype to find major flaws, despite that the knowledge that the picks would be popular with fans.

Now back to the Browns, it's one thing to call a player a reach when he's selected in the draft's top ten picks, or even in the first round, but the notion of a "reach" for a player in the second round who the draftniks had going in the third or even the fourth round is a joke. Let's assume for now that the Browns and at least some other NFL clubs have taken a much closer look at the Browns' draftees than either Kiper or McShay. The Browns' big board is what matters the most here. If you like the guy, damn the rest and go get him. When engaging in such an inexact science, the worst thing to do is overthink.

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When engaging in such an inexact science, you have to go with what you know. Like that you can't coach toughness. Toughness, the word of the weekend in Brownstown.

Here's CBSSports.com on T.J. Ward:

USC's Taylor Mays gets all of the attention, but Pac-10 receivers will tell you that the undersized, under-appreciated Ward is every bit the intimidating hitter across the middle.

What Ward lacks in size, he more than makes up for in versatility, toughness and aggression. At minimum, he should make an immediate impact on special teams. His big hitting and reliable open-field tackling should earn him a starting position in the deep secondary early in his career.

And ESPN:

He is a tough run-stopper and can hold his own in coverage.

Now CBS on Montario Hardesty:

Quickly impressing Lane Kiffin and his staff with his work ethic and toughness, Hardesty emerged as the starter over highly touted freshmen Bryce Brown.

And on 5th round pick Larry Asante, CBS:

Asante nicknamed himself "The Assassin" after arriving at Nebraska because he wanted to be the physical, aggressive hitter teams seek at the position. Opposing ballcarriers can attest to the idea that he's lived up to that label, using his size and athleticism to be one of the top thumpers in this year's draft.

And ESPN:

[H]e's a tough run-stopper who fills hard and flashes the ability to deliver the big hit. He also has enough range to cover the deep half of the field when he makes sounds reads.

And since you can't really coach character either, more from CBS on Hardesty:

Characterized as the consummate teammate. Twice voted team captain, including in 2008 when he wasn't a starter. Convinced team to let him play special teams against Wyoming despite his injuries being too much to allow him to suit up as a running back.

And Ward:

In addition, he has excellent instincts and work ethic.

It seems relevant that Asante earned his degree in Economics from Nebraska last December as well (which, incidentally, means that he's not on track to earn his degree next December as reported by Mary Kay Cabot on Saturday).

Which all seems to be in good contrast with criticisms that Ward is "aggressive and can be beaten deep over the top against good play-action;" that Asante "doesn't show great hands or time his jumps well;" or that Hardesty "runs high."

Does anyone remember what they said about Darrelle Revis when he came out of Pittsburgh, before he was coached up? We'll look into it.

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Now, of course, health is another thing you can't coach, and another contributing factor to the Browns' relatively low draft grades are the personal medical histories of Hardesty (three knee surgeries) and Ward (two season-ending knee injuries, one season ending ankle injury). But the NFL releases a laundry list of player injuries every week of its season, and if there's a list somewhere of players who've come back from season-ending injuries to begin or resume productive careers, we assume it's a long one. There are reports out there suggesting that knee injuries might be less serious than others; and there's also the idea that a young player returning from serious injury might have better work habits and take better care of his health than the rest. Worth remembering here is that another decent Tennessee running back, Jamal Lewis, missed most of his sophomore season due to a torn LCL. Related to the above on "reaches," we have to assume that the Browns' medical staff did its homework here.

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The most confusing thing about this draft is that the Browns were able to score USF receiver Carlton Mitchell in the draft's sixth round. I've been doing my best to figure out how this pick isn't an absolute steal. I'll have much more on Mitchell in a comprehensive profile later this week, but for now, a few bits from his CBS profile to help raise the question:

A physical receiver in the mold of Denver's Brandon Marshall, Mitchell became the Big East Conference's premier deep threat as a junior, despite missing several games with an ankle sprain. He played in just 37 games for the Bulls, but he set both the school career (1,648) and season (706 in 2009) records for receiving yardage.

"Carlton can flat fly," USF wide receivers coach Phil McGeoghan stated recently. "He has all the tools, all the ability. He is very diligent in his route running and his assignments. He is getting better, I see him improving everyday. He comes out here, works early and stays late. Carlton Mitchell is just a very talented guy who is big, tall, athletic, and has all the gifts you want in a receiver."

No one can question his athletic bloodlines. Mitchell also performed on the USF track team, competing in the 400 meters and the long jump during the 2007-08 outdoor campaign. His father, Carl Mitchell played professional basketball in Europe. Even his mother, Angela, has long ties to the sports industry. She presently serves as the "cut man" for professional boxer, Antonio Tarver.

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Carlton has surprising quickness for his size but needs to refine his route running to take advantage of that explosive speed. He is intense but inconsistent as a pass catcher. But once he gets the ball, his ability to get up to top speed in a couple of steps usually leaves defenders taking a bad angle. His run-after-the-catch talent will make him especially dangerous on screens and quick slants.

Now, again, Mitchell's route running and pass catching seem like things that are easy enough to teach if the kid's willing to work. And the criticism might be a result of his having played in a run-oriented offense both in high school and college (per CBS, Mitchell's high school played "a ball controlled offense that limited him to nine catches for 207 yards as a junior," which is literally nothing (as you might confirm by checking the Revere High School record books for the 1996 stats of a certain 6'0 180 pound all-hands no-block all-arms no-legs tight end (Fourteen for 250, read 'em and weep, Mitchell!)), and likely says more about Mitchell's coaches than anything else.

And maybe his quarterbacks too, as Matt Grothe, the Big East's career leader in total offense who'd started 41 consecutive games for USF was injured in the season's third week to be replaced by a redshirt freshman. There's no telling how highly Mitchell would have been drafted had USF not suffered this loss.

Finally, a big physical receiver with explosive speed who can stretch the field. Getting this kid on the field should be a priority for the Browns' coaching staff. Here's hoping they're all over this guy from day 1.

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Which brings us to the last summary point, that likely applies more to Colt McCoy than it does to Mitchell: Lucky is good.

This is in response to those who question the drafting of McCoy at #85 by noting that if he was really the Browns' "guy," they'd have taken him sooner. But that McCoy might not have been deemed worth a pick before #85 doesn't mean he won't end up an excellent value there. That the Browns chose to address other needs first is more likely to have been the result of incomplete information rather than affirmatively "bad" information on McCoy. That the Browns were able to address other pressing needs and still land McCoy results in McCoy coming into a better situation than if he'd been drafted sooner, and with less pressure. It's not just the Browns luck that caused McCoy to fall, but their own (hopefully) good decisions to address other needs that contributed as well. And those same good decisions will contribute to any success McCoy is to enjoy as a Brown. In a world of scarce resources and imperfect information, you make your own luck by setting your priorities and doing the best you can.

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Which get us to our official final grade for the Browns 2010 draft:

/drumroll/

OUR OFFICIAL FINAL GRADE FOR THE BROWNS' 2010 DRAFT: "SEE-PLUS"

We see all kinds of good reasons why the 2010 draft might turn out to be a very good one for the Browns, plus, we look forward to seeing how it turns out.

[BernietheKid]

+1 Thanks TBPP for the post that is some good stuff!

[King of Kings]

Cool thread, although I don't usually do the draft grade deal right after it finishes, instead waiting a few years. It's really hard to judge a draft before the players ever take the field, or to grade the players for that matter unless they absolutely suck. Which btw, I wouldn't say the ones we drafted suck. That said, let me try and toss a positive spin on this draft.

Btw, as an aside, this draft was radically different then what I envisioned and wanted. But honestly, who gives a shit? I'm posting on a forum while Holmgren has rebuilt a couple teams culminating in Superbowls, and Heckert was a highly sought after GM. Now, let's get to this....

Joe Haden: I didn't want him. Didn't like this pick at first. BUT, this kid has talent. If he can become the next Leon Hall or Derrell Revis this pick was fucking GENIUS. I think he could be a good one, and this pick above almost all others I trust as the right choice. Why? Because of Tom Heckert and Eric Manginis track records drafting CB's. Those two know good cornerbacks when they see them.

T.J. Ward: Another one I didn't care for, largely because of my own ignorance. This wasn't a player I knew much about honestly. It had ZERO to do with his "injury history." Man i've heard that bullshit thrown around so much it's not even funny. Hell Beanie Wells was labelled such an injury risk one NFL shot was going to end his career according to the "experts." Yet what'd he do? Tore it up, took some hard, HARD hits and played healthy all year. So yeah, that's not a big deal to me, certainly not something I put too much stock into.

So yeah, I didn'tcare for the pick, BUT I gave it a chance and scouted this kid a bit. Now I LOVE this pick. You guys see the wood this sumbitch lays? This kid lays motherfuckers out like a young Roy Williams! I LOVE this pick now. All my life i've wanted the Cleveland Browns to have the meanest, most hard hitting, vicious defense in HISTORY. Hell, the meanest most vicious team altogether. This is a good step towards that. I really, REALLY like where Coach Mangini and Rob are taking this D.

Montario Hardesty: I liked this one from the get. It caught me off guard, but I liked it. Harrison is great, but he's NOT an every down back, nor a bruiser. This kid is just that, and we NEEDED that. I was hoping Gerhart would be sitting there when we picked in the 3rd but he got snatched up. This was a solid pick, again screw the "injury prone" BS. Players get hurt, and "experts" blow it outa proportion. Our RB corps look like a strength now.

Colt McCoy: Again, I really liked this pick out the gate. Well first, I did not want a QB in this draft at all. BUT the McCoy pick was great value we couldn't possibly pass up. The dude was projecting anywhere from the mid 1st to mid 2nd. Falling to the third? The kid was worth taking a flier on. He may or may not be our future franchise QB, but even if not, if we can at the least make him a valuable, solid backup QB? It's well worth the 3rd round pick. Hell even Belichick and Parcells have used 2nd and 3rd rounders on QB's while having their franchise QB in place.

Shawn Luvao: I have had the pleasure of watching this kid play and it was a goo pick. He very well could be a starting OG right outa the gate, the kid is good and you NEED good players in the trenches. It's a solid pick, even if it was a "reach" according to some pencil neck geeks draft board.

Larry Asante: Don't know alot about him, YET. I didn't mind the pick at the time and I still don't. Our secondary was horrible, any help we could get is good help and it's went from a black hole to looking like it may be a strength.

Carlton Mitchell: Don't mind it, it's worth seeing what he's got and if we can do anything with him or not. If not we're not out a whole lot.

Clifton Geathers: I like it. Sure he's not polished and perhaps a project, but comes from good NFL stock. His uncle was solid and his brother who plays for the Bengals is also solid. If he never amounts to anything we're not out much. If he does awsome. If he turns into a beast? Even better! I hope they try him out at linebacker in field goal situations personally. With that height and wingspan? Dude might be able to block alot of field goals and extra points.

All in all I think this looks to be a solid draft. Like Holmgren said, we're a team with two thumbs and 10 holes with water pouring out of them. This team wasn't getting fixed in one draft but IMO we've taken a big step towards fixing it and plugged multiple holes. I can't wait to see these rookies play.

[King of Kings]

I wanna delve into that most excellent Article so here goes.....

For another reminder of how far we've come in this circle, it's worth a look back at one particularly stunning ESPN/Todd McShay pageview grab from early February ("Hey, look, Gerald McCoy will go first!")-- the first mock where anyone had Berry falling to seven (probably even the first mainstream mock that had anyone but Haden going to the Browns) -- in which McShay didn't call a single one of the top twenty picks correctly, and only one of the thirty-two picks in all.

But I thought this 94lb weak ass whose never played a physical sport in his life was the most respected draft GUE-RUE ever and had 32 NFL teams beating down his door with draft offers? How could he get SO MUCH wrong?

I'd love to hear a response from Peter King or Charles Robinson on these questions about their "reports," (yes, I am questioning their sources), but as long as the crowd keeps eating these reports up without asking the right questions, self-interested sources will keep floating them out there.

It is honestly doubtful they have any sources. As unreliable as most of their scoops are either they have the worst insiders ever or they're making shit up.

Nearly as meaningless but not quite because at least the grades can take positional need into account, but where these grades seem to go especially bad is in their quickness to dub a particular pick a "reach." Mel Kiper's summary review of the Browns draft is typical of the rest here by echoing a common refrain in response to the second-round selections of T.J. Ward and Montario Hardesty. REACH ALERT!

And yet i've hardly heard a peep from the constantly wrong Mel Kiper about the Patriots reaching for Brandon Spikes, who the "experts" were projecting a fall into round 3 over a bum 40 time and like ONCE about the Jags drafting a 2nd round prospect in the 1st... Or that, you know, Tim Teblow was projecting mid 3rd round and Hoodie Jr took him in the first.....

Cleveland clearly liked T.J. Ward, but could have gotten him later than No. 37. Montario Hardesty could be a really good back, but he's also been hurt, and again, it didn't seem necessary to trade up for him.

Except that 1: DB's were flying off the fucking board and 2: Had we not jumped where we did the Pats would have taken Hardesty in the 2nd before we picked, but okay.

It didn't seem necessary to trade up for Hardesty. Cleveland could have gotten Ward later than No. 37. And Kiper knows this because neither he nor his buddy McShay had either player ranked as highly as the Browns did. Or is it because NFL franchises are so transparent with respect to their draft plans that Kiper knows just where Ward and Hardesty were ranked on every other team's board?

Hahahaha OWNED! Kiper is an idiot... And I was going to say why does he even have a job but he works for ESPN so that basically explains why he has a job.

"Carlton can flat fly," USF wide receivers coach Phil McGeoghan stated recently. "He has all the tools, all the ability. He is very diligent in his route running and his assignments. He is getting better, I see him improving everyday. He comes out here, works early and stays late.

I'm loving this kid already. Exactly the kind of players we need, the workaholic kind that spend every waking moment striving to improve. Come on, anyone that's against this late rounds flier, what's not to like about a young hungry talented kid like Mitchell who puts in as much EXTRA work daily as possible to get better?

[Legacy Fan]

Originally Posted by Dan in Florida

Fixed

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