Wade Phillips- "Dez Bryant is the most impressive rookie ive seen in 33 years of.."

[BernietheKid]

Originally Posted by Riffer X

So......how old is the PGL?

Any guesses? Maybe I should start a poll, but there is no way a grown ass man of over 20 or 21 falls in love with media made guys like that...sorry.

I'll bet 21!

[Alo]

Originally Posted by grimmreaper3

Snead was a media-driven story? Huh?

I'm sorry, but no.

I think Riff meant that the media hyped Snead as a future 1st round pick, only for him to falter miserably in '09.

And that was part of PGL's argument -- that Snead was a 1st round talent (because the media once said so) that we could get at a bargain bin price because of a bad '09 season.

[Crow]

Originally Posted by AdaM

Dude....

His dad is a pimp and his mom is a druggy who is currently on 10 years probation for selling drugs.

HE IS THE VERY DEFINITION OF A CHARACTER CONCERN!

You won't feel so bad when he fucks up.

Parents =/= Individual

Well.. I don't want to mention any names.. but the initials are S.H.E.P. ...... ha ha ha..

but he only has three names

[Enigmatic Evil]

I'm willing to give Dez the benefit of the doubt to silence the critics, but I'll be surprised if he becomes an upstanding long-term NFL veteran. It's really too early to tell

[Solon16]

Bottom line is Dez is worth (risk vs reward / value) where he was drafted....maybe as high as 18 but the risk is there!

[DawgFan]

Character concerns aside, Dez was out of football for a year. He came in out of shape, ran a relatively pedestrian 40...and interviewed poorly.

Add all that up and you get draft day slide.

As for his parents issues, sure they are a concern, but I don't hold the kid to that. I 'DO' hold him to stupid stuff he himself did....like showing up out of shape, forgetting his shoes, not showing up for tryouts...etc.

THESE are the issues that concern me.

As for this article. Come on. The team just spent a pick on this guy and the coach is going to throw the kid under the bus??? They are trying to earn this kids trust (I bet he has a few issues on that front) so that they can properly mentor him. You don't do that by dissing the kid. As for the skills, I think Alo more than summed that up.

Dez has a long way to go to prove to be a hero...or a bust. But I think all things considered the Browns did the right thing by not drafting him.

[Alo]

Back to the never-ending Clausen discussion: here's Panthers beat reporter Darin Gantt on whether Jimmy pissed people off:

Originally Posted by Darin Gantt

Been asked a lot about Smith-Clausen-PFT. My take? I think JC may have surprised some vet teammates, but I'm not sure anyone hates him.

When Panthers signed Keyshawn, Smith would get asked if it helped him. 89 would say: Don't know, haven't practiced with him yet.

Bottom line: There were some raised eyebrows with Clausen's forward approach. But it's one weekend minicamp -- too soon to read verdict.

So it sounds like there was something to Florio's report, though it was an exaggerated, somewhat distorted take on what happened.

[Shep]

Clausen is a Quarterback, capital Q. He isn't a raging tool, but he has more Marino in him than Montana, admittedly. He's always been the type to stride in, not tip-toe... but I'll bet if you watched him 24/7 in that camp you wouldn't see him do one truly dickish thing.

I'm pulling a Kiper and sticking to my sense that Clausen and Berry will have big-time impact sooner than later, and might well end up vying for the offensive ROY.

[Vegasdogg]

Originally Posted by Shep

Clausen and Bryant duke it out for offensive rookie of the year. Bank it.

Considering not too many offensive "stud" position players went in this draft, I'm still going with one of the OT's taken in this draft.

[Alo]

An interesting read:

Clausen's fall to second round and Panthers gets personal - NFL - CBSSports.com Football

"Most people you talk to think the kid is a jerk," said one scout. "With what I was listening to, I thought I was hearing Ryan Leaf all over again. He has a sense and a degree of entitlement that's off the charts."

[...]

"The big word for him is inconsistency," said one head coach, "and a lot of that has to do with the person he is. What I mean by that is that his personality is reflected by how he plays. He's up and down, and the things you hear about him -- his arrogance, cockiness, entitlement, that sort of thing -- are there on the field. Sometimes he's good; sometimes he's not.

But I could see this being true as well:

"He'll probably come out of the box fast," said an AFC personnel director, "because he'll have something to prove. You know how this thing goes, everything [during the draft process] gets magnified a bit, and there might have been some piling on. So he's probably looking for a little vindication."

[King of Kings]

Originally Posted by Alo

Back to the never-ending Clausen discussion:

I hope it ends pretty soon, i'm sick of hearing about the fuckin' guy. He's not a Brown, never will be a Brown and we've discussed him to death already.

[Shep]

Originally Posted by King of Kings

I hope it ends pretty soon, i'm sick of hearing about the fuckin' guy. He's not a Brown, never will be a Brown and we've discussed him to death already.

I hate to be repetitive, but if you don't wanna talk about any one thing... just don't! Skip the topic, move to another. Judging what another person finds interesting is bitchy and totally unnecessary.

I'm fascinated by Clausen and Bryant because many slotted them as top 10 talents... and they fell for character or personality reasons.

Yet between the two of them, they have zero arrests and zero stints in rehab. In fact, zero "incidents," by almost any definition of the word.

Honestly, I think it was weird. And because the Browns went into the draft lacking a #1 WR and a long-term QB solution, yet passed on both? We're linked to them whether we want to be or not.