Should Troy Start Crawling to Cleveland?

[DaBrowns41]

Originally Posted by WVBrownsfan

It's amazing how unsuccessful Heisman winning QB's have been over the last 20 years in the NFL. Carson Palmer is about the only one you can say has done fairly well and he hasn't won the big one yet either. I believe Jim Plunkett is the last Heisman QB to win a Super Bowl and he won the award in 1970. It's almost a curse to win the Heisman if you want to be a pro QB. Who knows maybe Tebow or Bradford can change that but I'm not sure if Timmy boy will be the one either.

That's because many of these QB's are duel threat guys, and aren't legit pass throwers.

Terrelle Pryor is a Heisman Candidate. Denard Robinson will be one. Robinson threw the ball well yesterday, but his motion is too slow, and he gets happy feet.

Eric Crouch, Tommie Frazier, etc. Chris Weinke won a Heisman by actually throwing the ball. But his accuracy was just bad.

As for Troy coming to Cleveland, thanks but no thanks. He's not an NFL quarterback. I've been saying that since ignorant Cleveland fans on another forum wanted him in the 1st round a few years ago.

[Alo]

Hmmm...

The #49ers have signed QB Troy Smith to a one-year deal. In order to make room for Smith on the roster, they have waived QB Nate Davis. #NFL

via here.

[Vegasdogg]

I liked Davis this preseason. Troy has some upside. Nate Davis on the streets though? Wow.

[Shep]

He signed with SF. They dumped Nate Davis.

[Flugel]

Originally Posted by DaBrowns41

As for Troy coming to Cleveland, thanks but no thanks. He's not an NFL quarterback. I've been saying that since ignorant Cleveland fans on another forum wanted him in the 1st round a few years ago.

I guess I'll enter the battle of Troy and choose the unpopular side of it. I wanted us to draft Troy Smith not because I wanted you to call me ignorant nor did I care if it happened in round 1 or round 7. Truth is I didn't know WHERE he was getting drafted while Brady Quinn landed here in round 1 right? I wanted Troy to come to Cleveland because I thought he was a good QB. I'm puzzled at how enjoyable people find it to go out of their way to bash Troy Smith in the very SAME league that has drafted Jamarcus Russell and Alex Smith at #1 overall and Ryan Leaf and Akili Smith at #2 overall. Meanwhile nobody had the grapefruits to even draft Tony Romo or take Tom Brady before round 6. TRUST me, when I've seen some of the trash playing QB here in the last 15 years from Zeier to Philcox to Detmer to Dilfer to Wynn to McCown to Quinn to Dorsey to Gradkowski - we've repeatedly done a whole lot worse than Troy Smith. He'd also play for much more appropriate wages than Dilfer did.

It's REALLY important to understand history sometimes though. While Mike Phipps possessed all the prototypicals that sold our organization - something totally unpredictable unfolded. We added a 13th round draft pick that ALL 100% of the football experts everywhere said "that's a waste of a draft pick - he's too short and has girly arm." Hmmmm. I don't dare speak for others because that certainly was NOT cool to dare to add such a mistake. Cleveland almost blew up it was such an enormous no no. I mean how could they even consider such a little weasle that obviously couldn't throw a football through a 5 mile an hour wind right?

Guess what inexplicably happened? Sipe had the audacity to show up for his 1st day of practice in spite of all the experts asking "why bother?" Next thing I know, the prototypical hotshot (Phipps) was the one not looking like a Pro QB. Guess what organization got laughed at again for throwing the 13th round QB into the game as a solution? And even worse, Brian Sipe actually dared to enter the huddle and then walk up behind center. Now he had 80,000 fans in the house thinking what's this goofball gonna do? And God bless every damn one of them! All he did was win, win again, and again, again and again and again. And the little whimpy waste of a time would string together a 3 year period averaging over 4000 yards a season throwing the ball back when that feat was unmatched (and DBs weren't so handcuffed with restrictions). In the process, Sipe became a League MVP while nobody noticed Mike Phipps snuk out the back door and landed in Chicago to backup Bob Avelini.

Also worthy of mention: Kurt Warner, Jeff Garcia, Joe Theisman, Warren Moon and even Doug Flutie all were told they weren't NFL QB material right out of college. Did they listen any more than Sipe did? The REASON those guys became successes was because they chose to define themselves rather than to let people that didn't have the first clue about what was INSIDE them do so. And just out of curiosity - what would have remained popular opinion about Sipe had opportunity #1 to take the field never took place?

Some guys get 9 lives - while others never get their first fair shake until they are 28 or 29 years old if ever. Steve Young anyone? If he gave up after the Tampa Massacre as he said he contemplated - NOBODY what have known the disaster Tampa fans witnessed was the SAME guy SF fans witnessed. BTW, where is Troy going again? And is there a hotshot prototypical QB in front of him? I keep getting these Brian Sipe dejavues all of a sudden...
- Tom F.

[Shep]

Originally Posted by Alo

Hmmm...


via here.

I think we all posted at the same time, but... I was wondering what you thought about that.

Nate Davis is a year YOUNGER than Colt McCoy, BTW. After two years in the NFL. Same height but 15 pounds bigger, much bigger arm.

[DaBrowns41]

Just for the record, Flugel, I wasn't calling you ignorant. I was talking about another forum I was on back when he was in that draft. Many of those guys also were saying that Taylor Mays was a top 5 pick, so I started taking what they said with a grain of salt.

I do my best not to disrespect anybody.

[Flugel]

Originally Posted by DaBrowns41

Just for the record, Flugel, I wasn't calling you ignorant. I was talking about another forum I was on back when he was in that draft. Many of those guys also were saying that Taylor Mays was a top 5 pick, so I started taking what they said with a grain of salt.

I do my best not to disrespect anybody.

Thanks DaBrowns! In fairness to you, I don't think you're ever disrespectful in here. I'm not even sure you knew I was a Troy Smith fan.

I just used your take on Troy and generalized it at the masses that have been blasting him since OSU lost to Florida. Any time I've ever said I'd love to see what he could with an opportunity in the past - you wouldn't believe how much people HATE the guy and how PISSED they'd get at hearing such a thing. I used your comments and took a passive aggressive aim at everyone I heard shit from about him.
- Tom F.

[DaBrowns41]

I don't hate the guy, and certainly without his excellent play prior to the OSU/Florida game we'd have never been there in the first place.

He's talented. But at the collegiate level. Much like Eric Crouch and Tommie Frazier were.

[Crow]

He should crawl here but we should stamp on his hands when he arrives

[Vegasdogg]

Alex Smith better watch out. He hasn't had that breakout year yet and he desperately needs one or he is on the Leinhart train as well. Last chance.

[Shep]

Originally Posted by Vegasdogg

Alex Smith better watch out. He hasn't had that breakout year yet and he desperately needs one or he is on the Leinhart train as well. Last chance.

One day you'll write a post that isn't directly or indirectly targeted at me. But it might take therapy to break the obsession.