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    Kevin Sumlin is at the top of my list. lol... I mean that lombardi loving reporter who we dont mention the name of said if Farme rhad it his way he'd hire him in a heartbeat.

    I still like Gus Malzahn at Auburn.

    Josh Mcdaniels is a pipe dream, the reason he didnt interview here, is because he was promised the Patriots Job once Belicheck retires, but I do like him.

    Chip Kelley if he gets fired.

    Sean Payton if he gets fired.

    Jason Garrett if he gets fired.

    I'd interview Chan Gailey

    Mike Shula

    Steve Wilks

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    Id start there
    I do not see a situation in which Pettine would get fired, but not Farmer. Farmer could be fired, but not Pettien. or they both could be fired.
    I personally would stay away from college coaches, Pete Carroll is an exception. Not no to Chip Kelley, but "hell no"!
    Gruden if available
    Norv Turner
    Tony Dungee, but he's not coming out of retirement
    Sean Payton

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    I do not see a situation in which Pettine would get fired, but not Farmer. Farmer could be fired, but not Pettien. or they both could be fired.
    I personally would stay away from college coaches, Pete Carroll is an exception. Not no to Chip Kelley, but "hell no"!
    Gruden if available
    Norv Turner
    Tony Dungee, but he's not coming out of retirement
    Sean Payton
    Would love to have Dungy in Berea. Won't happen, though.

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    If you was a head coach, tell me which teams you would prefer to coach.

    Maybe these?

    New England Patriots
    Cincinnati Bengals
    New York Giants
    Green Bay Packers
    New Orleans Saints
    Pittsburgh Steelers
    Baltimore Ravens
    Dallas Cowboys
    Seattle Seahawks

    or would you prefer?

    Cleveland Browns
    Detroit Lions
    Houston Texans
    Minnesota Vikings
    Tampa Bay Buccaneers
    Tennessee Titans
    Washington Redskins
    Atlanta Falcons
    Buffalo Bills
    Chicago Bears
    Denver Broncos
    Miami Dolphins
    New York Jets
    Oakland Raiders
    San Francisco 49ers

    Your choice
    Chicken and egg Cliff. I think you can ask just about any NFL type which one is the tail and which one is the dog.

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    Was with my bro-in-law tonight for trick or treat. A lifelong Cowboy fan. He remarks "McCown reminds of Brandon Weeden in Dallas. He has good numbers but he doesn't win".

    You're tellin' me.
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    ATTN snickers fans, he is again this week, relegated to the bench where he so richly deserves to be.

    Now concerning farmer, he would be a better fit in the arena league. The majority of his best players are guys who could star in the arena. They are not top tier NFL talent but guys who work well on special teams or filll small roles on an NFL roster. That, like it or not, is farmers best talent, finding the low rounders who have some limited game to them. If he got lucky he could take his qb with him and build a dynasty there. Just sayin.
    Well here we are mired in an 0-11 season headed for 0-16 with a bullet and some are saying how much the team has improved... This is what Browns fans have become? Thats sad.Somewhere Otto Graham, Lou Groza, Marion Motley are sad...art modell as he burns in hell is laughing and many of us are just pissed off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brownsfan1956 View Post
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    ATTN snickers fans, he is again this week, relegated to the bench where he so richly deserves to be.

    Now concerning farmer, he would be a better fit in the arena league. The majority of his best players are guys who could star in the arena. They are not top tier NFL talent but guys who work well on special teams or filll small roles on an NFL roster. That, like it or not, is farmers best talent, finding the low rounders who have some limited game to them. If he got lucky he could take his qb with him and build a dynasty there. Just sayin.
    I disagree that Farmer would do well in the arena league. In that league you need to have a good QB and good receivers and that's just about it and Farmer is clueless on both fronts!

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    Hate to break the bad news to you smart guys but neither the QB nor receivers are the browns problem.
    RUN DEFENSE!!!

    the browns run defense is, listen closely smart guys #32
    you get that?? DEAD LAST
    1057 yards given up
    next closest are the bolts@925

    Our offense does enough to be "competative"
    Our run defense SUCKS!
    They are the ones blowing it!
    GOT IT?

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    passing top 10 as of today

    1 San Diego 317 220 69.4 2405 7.9 68 16 7 18 110 100.6 344
    2 New England 289 199 68.9 2305 8.3 59 20 1 18 105 115.8 329
    3 New Orleans 292 203 69.5 2080 7.6 80 8 5 18 126 93.5 297
    4 Houston 327 184 56.3 2038 6.5 48 14 7 14 78 81.3 291
    5 Arizona 226 146 64.6 1969 8.9 55 16 5 10 53 107.6 281
    6 Detroit 301 192 63.8 1950 6.8 57 13 10 16 107 84.3 279
    7 Cleveland 264 172 65.2 1916 7.8 60 11 4 26 151 96.6 274
    8 Atlanta 267 172 64.4 1915 7.5 55 9 6 14 87 88.9 274
    9 Indianapolis 286 166 58.0 1804 6.6 87 14 9 15 89 81.2 258
    10 Baltimore 288 181 62.8 1771 6.4 50 9 8 11 83 80.1 253

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    rush defense bottom of the barrell lickers

    22 Tennessee 170 775 4.6 26 6 129.2 2 0
    23 San Francisco 196 793 4.0 30 7 113.3 1 0
    24 NY Giants 194 794 4.1 26 5 113.4 5 1
    25 Indianapolis 207 859 4.2 44 8 122.7 3 0
    26 Detroit 214 864 4.0 75 10 123.4 5 3
    27 Miami 216 871 4.0 41 4 124.4 1 0
    28 Washington 183 899 4.9 54 4 128.4 4 1
    29 Houston 206 902 4.4 85 7 128.9 2 1
    30 New Orleans 186 904 4.9 45 7 129.1 4 3
    31 San Diego 174 925 5.3 65 7 132.1 4 2
    32 Cleveland 207 1057 5.1 54 8 151.0 1 1

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    passing top 10 as of today

    1 San Diego 317 220 69.4 2405 7.9 68 16 7 18 110 100.6 344
    2 New England 289 199 68.9 2305 8.3 59 20 1 18 105 115.8 329
    3 New Orleans 292 203 69.5 2080 7.6 80 8 5 18 126 93.5 297
    4 Houston 327 184 56.3 2038 6.5 48 14 7 14 78 81.3 291
    5 Arizona 226 146 64.6 1969 8.9 55 16 5 10 53 107.6 281
    6 Detroit 301 192 63.8 1950 6.8 57 13 10 16 107 84.3 279
    7 Cleveland 264 172 65.2 1916 7.8 60 11 4 26 151 96.6 274
    8 Atlanta 267 172 64.4 1915 7.5 55 9 6 14 87 88.9 274
    9 Indianapolis 286 166 58.0 1804 6.6 87 14 9 15 89 81.2 258
    10 Baltimore 288 181 62.8 1771 6.4 50 9 8 11 83 80.1 253
    But the Browns offense is only 22nd in the NFL in TDs scored and among the worst in the NFL in red zone scoring and the offensive line has given up more QB sacks and hits combined than any other team in the NFL. That's an ominous sign for QB health.
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    but, but but
    bla bla bla

    fix the run defense and the record flips upside down.

    throw all you bull shit out the door AO

    run defense translates into wins.

    Of the bottom 10 teams in run defense only the G men have a winning record @4-3 Not saying much given their division.

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    I do find it funny that many who said the reason the Browns would lose...and why they COULDN'T win was the lack of a passing game....and they bashed us that said a solid D would/could carry the team.

    Now that the passing game is clicking...and the D is struggling...NOW the passing game is just a "yeah, BUT the D"...
    Football is all about synergy. Replace a poor player with a great player and watch the surrounding players suddenly seem vastly improved. When you aren't covering for someone else, you can do YOUR JOB better.



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    Quote Originally Posted by 1dawgfan View Post
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    but, but but
    bla bla bla

    fix the run defense and the record flips upside down.

    throw all you bull shit out the door AO

    run defense translates into wins.

    Of the bottom 10 teams in run defense only the G men have a winning record @4-3 Not saying much given their division.
    My bullshit?

    Even the Browns commentators have noted that the Browns too often exchange TDs with field goals. Terry Pluto has written about it as well. When you get down to the red zone, you have to put the ball in the end zone. Here's a link showing the Browns 30th out of the 32 teams in red zone TD scoring percentage. https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/sta...ne-scoring-pct


    The Browns have difficulty doing that due to having an offensive line that struggles with run blocking, mediocre running backs and the lack of a big, fast athletic receiver who can go up and get balls in the end zone -- a guy to complement Barnidge.

    Let me add to this the fine column by Terry Pluto today about the struggles in the Browns running game. http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index...l#incart_river
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    Dawg, as you know certain posters have made a cottage industry out of negativity. Some people just aren't as evolved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greythan View Post
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    Dawg, as you know certain posters have made a cottage industry out of negativity. Some people just aren't as evolved.
    And there are others who while fucked up the ass smile and say, "It's just a high colonic and it's good for me". Those folks are extremely evolved I guess.
    Well here we are mired in an 0-11 season headed for 0-16 with a bullet and some are saying how much the team has improved... This is what Browns fans have become? Thats sad.Somewhere Otto Graham, Lou Groza, Marion Motley are sad...art modell as he burns in hell is laughing and many of us are just pissed off.

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    20 Seattle 51.52% 57.14% 66.67% 52.63% 50.00% 53.03%
    2014 season
    seattle was 20th in redzone efficiancy, they went to the superbowl.

    screw pluto, dont care

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    ohhhhh BYTT they were here in RUSH FUCKIN DEFENSE ASS WIPE
    1 Detroit 350 1109 3.2 35 8 69.3 6 5
    2 Denver 349 1276 3.7 85 9 79.8 3 1
    3 Seattle 380 1304 3.4 47 8 81.5 10 5
    4 Baltimore 390 1412 3.6 67 8 88.3 8 5
    5 NY Jets 393 1489 3.8 97 10 93.1 5 1
    6 Pittsburgh 368 1605 4.4 41 9 100.3 9 4
    7 San Francisco 402 1612 4.0 37 7 100.8 4 1
    8 Dallas 392 1650 4.2 62 18 103.1 2 2
    9 New England 419 1669 4.0 48 6 104.3 6 2
    10 Houston 420 1681 4.0 41 6 105.1 8 4
    11 Buffalo 414 1703 4.1 47 10 106.4 6 4
    12 Washington 421 1722 4.1 65 11 107.6 12 5
    13 Arizona 396 1739 4.4 79 9 108.7 4 1
    14 St. Louis 425 1765 4.2 67 12 110.3 13 4
    15 Philadelphia 473 1771 3.7 37 14 110.7 10 6
    16 Carolina 397 1792 4.5 89 14 112.0 6 2
    17 Chicago 421 1803 4.3 48 12 112.7 5 1
    18 Indianapolis 423 1814 4.3 52 14 113.4 9 5
    19 Tampa Bay 468 1819 3.9 57 15 113.7 8 4
    20 Cincinnati 439 1861 4.2 53 16 116.3 7 4
    21 Atlanta 450 1894 4.2 55 21 118.4 5 2
    22 Oakland 481 1911 4.0 89 17 119.4 7 3
    23 Green Bay 449 1919 4.3 40 11 119.9 11 5
    24 Miami 453 1937 4.3 47 13 121.1 7 3
    25 Minnesota 450 1943 4.3 53 10 121.4 3 1
    26 San Diego 438 1986 4.5 90 11 124.1 10 6
    27 Jacksonville 499 2033 4.1 60 15 127.1 4 1
    28 Kansas City 433 2036 4.7 90 4 127.3 4 2
    29 New Orleans 442 2125 4.8 69 17 132.8 5 0
    30 NY Giants 438 2162 4.9 46 15 135.1 10 3
    31 Tennessee 515 2195 4.3 62 17 137.2 2 1
    32 Cleveland 500 2265 4.5 38 13 141.6 6 2
    Glossary

    ATT: Rushing attempts
    YDS: Rushing yards
    YDS/A: Yards per rush attempt

    LONG: Longest rush
    TD: Rushing touchdowns
    YDS/G: Rushing yards per game

    FUM: Rushing fumbles
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    Run defense freakin wins dufos idiots

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    I would hope nobody is trying to diminish the importance of rushing defense. It's fucking killing us. End of story. It is literally the biggest problem the Browns have.

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    So much smart stuff in here. As the saying goes, "It's never just one thing." Yes, for about a decade, the top rated (PR) passers and playoff teams have overlapped almost perfectly. This year, as Dawg astutely pointed out? Weird. An anomaly.

    McCown isn't easy to watch. He seems to put up a high PR without making the offense score a lot of points. Can I explain that? I can't. I'm just being humble. I don't get it. We seem to be a 20 to 20 offense.

    But here's the reality I do NOT understand: Manziel isn't an unknown entity here as far as "maybe he just sucks." He's 1-0 this year and had a really good game. I was there. He had a good Spring and a good preseason. He looks like a good quarterback to me. He looked good in mop up duty. I'm waiting for him to look bad... and he just hasn't.

    So we have a 2-5 team intent on starting a dinged-up, 36-year-old bridge starter who isn't the future. Over a 22-year-old Heisman winning first round pick who's looked good whenever we've been allowed to see him. The national media thinks we're insane. We look almost inarguably insane. I'm in freaking Canada and at least three times a day a crew guy or fellow producer asks me what the fuck Cleveland is doing starting Josh McCown no matter what.

    Is there a logical answer? I can't come up with one. You have to admit it makes us look daft. And to back PGL, it makes it look like somebody has an issue with Manziel. Who is it? Pettine? I don't know. But it would be such a clear no-brainer to start him and keep starting him the rest of the season. We aren't in contention, not really. He hasn't looked lost or unable to play at all, nobody thinks that. Nobody nowhere.

    So we (team and fans) look psycho. There's just no real answer to that question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shep View Post
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    He's 1-0 this year and had a really good game. I was there. He had a good Spring and a good preseason. He looks like a good quarterback to me. He looked good in mop up duty. I'm waiting for him to look bad... and he just hasn't.
    I really envy some of the Manzielots for their wonderful ability to erase reality and play make beleive.

    1. Manziel is not 1-0. He is 1-1. He came into the Jets game after McCown got ONE drive in the first quarter, with the scores locked at 0-0, and was key in getting blown out 31-10. He had a bunch of turnovers in our half and failed to generate any offense. His one saving grace was a deep pass to Benjamin, but the rest was a struggle.

    2. Vs Tennessee Johnny was 6/13 for 62 yards throughout that game, the only difference was he hit Benjamin for a 60 yard touchdown and a 50 yard touchdown, and Benjamin was key on both (Wide open on one, ran from one side of the field to the other to get wide open on another.) There is nothing wrong with hitting players when there are plays for the taking, but it was not a constant effort. It was again a tale of struggle, but he showed flashes of ability.

    Did either of these games point to a player who was ready? No, not even close. Did they show off a kid who had improved? Very much so. He's still not ready to handle the abysmal settings surround him, exactly as we saw in game one when he got absolutely not help what-so-ever.

    This notion that he's been "really good" or even simply ready is horseshit. Throw him out too soon and we could see him collapse under the pressure of having to carry this team, and we could (will) also see a large portion of media and fans turn on him, and it's going to result in the Browns trying to move on. The kid isn't unknown. We've seen him in four games, and two mop up duties. We've seen him get better each time, including last week when he knew where his checks were and took what the defense gave him, but we're not seeing a kid who is ready for full time action, or ready to handle this shitty team that is leaking points and yards worse than, I don't know, something that leaks a lot - There is a joke in here about a teenager's nocturnal emissions but I can't quite hit it.

    The team doesn't look "psycho" for developing a young player while a veteran plays at a high level. It makes us look smart, for once. The fans who can't see that are absolutely psychotic, and look for answers to questions they made up based on those psychotic mannerisms. Let the kid learn, let McCown do his thing, let the team get fixed. Johnny ain't stepping in and fixing this mess, but he might have enough rope to hang himself.

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    So much smart stuff in here. As the saying goes, "It's never just one thing." Yes, for about a decade, the top rated (PR) passers and playoff teams have overlapped almost perfectly. This year, as Dawg astutely pointed out? Weird. An anomaly.

    McCown isn't easy to watch. He seems to put up a high PR without making the offense score a lot of points. Can I explain that? I can't. I'm just being humble. I don't get it. We seem to be a 20 to 20 offense.

    But here's the reality I do NOT understand: Manziel isn't an unknown entity here as far as "maybe he just sucks." He's 1-0 this year and had a really good game. I was there. He had a good Spring and a good preseason. He looks like a good quarterback to me. He looked good in mop up duty. I'm waiting for him to look bad... and he just hasn't.

    So we have a 2-5 team intent on starting a dinged-up, 36-year-old bridge starter who isn't the future. Over a 22-year-old Heisman winning first round pick who's looked good whenever we've been allowed to see him. The national media thinks we're insane. We look almost inarguably insane. I'm in freaking Canada and at least three times a day a crew guy or fellow producer asks me what the fuck Cleveland is doing starting Josh McCown no matter what.

    Is there a logical answer? I can't come up with one. You have to admit it makes us look daft. And to back PGL, it makes it look like somebody has an issue with Manziel. Who is it? Pettine? I don't know. But it would be such a clear no-brainer to start him and keep starting him the rest of the season. We aren't in contention, not really. He hasn't looked lost or unable to play at all, nobody thinks that. Nobody nowhere.

    So we (team and fans) look psycho. There's just no real answer to that question.
    The reasons why the Browns can't score in the red zone are pretty clear to a lot of people: defenses clamp down, exposing Browns weaknesses which include: poor run blocking and lack of a top notch back; poor pass blocking, an OL that leads the NFL in combined most QB hits and sacks given up; and lack of a big, fast, athletic receiver to go up and get balls in the end zone.

    The Browns have had a golden opportunity to fix a lot of problems the past two drafts and pretty much blew it via too many bad decisions in the draft and in free agency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AttackOffense View Post
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    The reasons why the Browns can't score in the red zone are pretty clear to a lot of people: defenses clamp down, exposing Browns weaknesses which include: poor run blocking and lack of a top notch back; poor pass blocking, an OL that leads the NFL in combined most QB hits and sacks given up; and lack of a big, fast, athletic receiver to go up and get balls in the end zone.

    The Browns have had a golden opportunity to fix a lot of problems the past two drafts and pretty much blew it via too many bad decisions in the draft and in free agency.
    Problem is poor QB play, IMHO, and also affect of Pett on Browns O play calling. Shows also IMHO how overrated temporary blips in QBR can be. I think we'll see tomorrow more about this when McCown flounders badly against Cards.

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    I'm really ready to move on from Johnny Buttfuck.. I'm sick of hearing his name. I'm sick of hearing about his dumb fuck girl friend or anything else about Johnny Fuckup. Like I said before.. He is a terrible distraction for this team.. Good or bad..
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