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    It's not hate. I didn't say the guys suck, now did I. I simply find a statement that there will be no drop off with them, compared to the guys ahead of them, highly laughable. You really think either of those guys come with the expected ability of the #1 pick in the draft, who by most accounts is an alledged generational prospect, and the production that should produce?

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    I dont get the Xavier Cooper situation... he has it all but just cant put it together

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    Won't be much of a drop off with Orchard and Nassib? LMFAO. Shit last year one of Nassib sacks he was credited with he didn't even touch the QB.
    Nassib needed to add some muscle to Go with his effort. He has.

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    It's not hate. I didn't say the guys suck, now did I. I simply find a statement that there will be no drop off with them, compared to the guys ahead of them, highly laughable. You really think either of those guys come with the expected ability of the #1 pick in the draft, who by most accounts is an alledged generational prospect, and the production that should produce?

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    I'm with you on this one.

    Garrett and Ogbah are our starters for a reason. It is really encouraging that Nassib and Orchard look good, but I don't think either can consistently impact the game the way we've seen Ogbah impact the game, and the way Garrett seems poised to impact the game.

    I can understand that perspective for the DT position. They're not tasked with making as many big impact plays. A big part of their jobs is simply holding the point of attack, not getting pushed off the mark or being moved to create a lane. When that is coupled with the clear decline of the big men when fatigue sets in, the depth can certainly play a role in providing a rest for the starters without significant decline.

    For the most part, though, you're going to see a drop off when your starters come out of the game. That's why I'm always a little cautious when we talk about the rotations we'll see on the defense. It is a nice idea, but in the heat of the moment, you want your best 11 men on the field at much as possible.

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    I'm with you on this one.

    Garrett and Ogbah are our starters for a reason. It is really encouraging that Nassib and Orchard look good, but I don't think either can consistently impact the game the way we've seen Ogbah impact the game, and the way Garrett seems poised to impact the game.

    I can understand that perspective for the DT position. They're not tasked with making as many big impact plays. A big part of their jobs is simply holding the point of attack, not getting pushed off the mark or being moved to create a lane. When that is coupled with the clear decline of the big men when fatigue sets in, the depth can certainly play a role in providing a rest for the starters without significant decline.

    For the most part, though, you're going to see a drop off when your starters come out of the game. That's why I'm always a little cautious when we talk about the rotations we'll see on the defense. It is a nice idea, but in the heat of the moment, you want your best 11 men on the field at much as possible.
    Especially late in games when you have scenarios where the game is on the line.. you always want your most experienced...
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    Quote Originally Posted by brownsdownunder View Post
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    I'm with you on this one.

    Garrett and Ogbah are our starters for a reason. It is really encouraging that Nassib and Orchard look good, but I don't think either can consistently impact the game the way we've seen Ogbah impact the game, and the way Garrett seems poised to impact the game.

    I can understand that perspective for the DT position. They're not tasked with making as many big impact plays. A big part of their jobs is simply holding the point of attack, not getting pushed off the mark or being moved to create a lane. When that is coupled with the clear decline of the big men when fatigue sets in, the depth can certainly play a role in providing a rest for the starters without significant decline.

    For the most part, though, you're going to see a drop off when your starters come out of the game. That's why I'm always a little cautious when we talk about the rotations we'll see on the defense. It is a nice idea, but in the heat of the moment, you want your best 11 men on the field at much as possible.
    I am mostly with you. Except I have yet to see Ogbah "impact" a game. He has a lot to prove still. If Garrett lives up to his billing, Ogbah's life just got much easier, so there will be no excuses for him.

    Nassib and Orchard to date have not done much of anything to even dream of them stepping and there being no drop off at the DE. Folks get way to ahead of themselves over some production against other teams Cam Ervings in a preseason game.

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    I am mostly with you. Except I have yet to see Ogbah "impact" a game. He has a lot to prove still. If Garrett lives up to his billing, Ogbah's life just got much easier, so there will be no excuses for him.

    Nassib and Orchard to date have not done much of anything to even dream of them stepping and there being no drop off at the DE. Folks get way to ahead of themselves over some production against other teams Cam Ervings in a preseason game.
    Agreed Ogbah has to take that next step. As a rookie, I loved what I saw. He was easily our most disruptive pass rusher and he was relatively solid against the run.

    He looks like he's come back bigger and more chiselled. We didn't get the opportunity to see much in the first preseason game, and I don't see Gregg messing around with his starting ends too much in preseason, but so far everything seems positive.

    I'm just worried about the DT position beside him. I'm happy to hear Coley has been a stand out in camp, and see that backed up with his excellent preseason performance, but that was a huge liability for us last year. If Garrett and Ogbah don't have to commit too much to accounting for their inside collapsing pocket integrity, I think both can be stars for us.

    I'm also excited for the season to start and find out what kind of blitzing Gregg has dialled up. That's his bread and butter. We've got two hard hitting safeties in Peppers and Kindred, two ultra athletic linebackers in Kirksey and Collins, Schobert might have been the best on field in the first preseason game, and we've already seen that Taylor, Haden and BBC don't mind flying in off the edge. That should be a lot of fun, and help take pressure off the ends.

    I'm keen for this season. The defense could potentially take a bigger leap than we'd previously counted on. That has to start with Ogbah and Garrett being who we hope they are.

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    The players Im most excited to see this year.. are..

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    In that order. Im expecting big things from those 4.

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    When I started the thread, I didn't have rookies in mind. But that's ok. If they can make the leap from college to the pros in year 1? I'd say the Browns finally hit on the draft.
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    Coley's athletic profile suggests that he should be a high end level DT in the NFL. Not sure why he has bounced around, but if his technique is on point, he could be very good.
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    Has to beat out Tank....be nice to see someone step forward and slam the door on this competition.
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    Little bummed at how Bryant's played so far. Hope it's just rust. Also weird that Ogunjobi and Brantley are so clearly behind Coley. But someone's gonna seize that 3-tech spot next to Shelton. Lots of candidates.

    Meder looks like a player to me. Somebody's gotta go... could be Bryant. Nassib can also play inside. Xavier Cooper is looking like toast.
    Brantley has been hurt but I hope he's been able to do the practice reps, even if he can't get in a scrimmage or game yet. What's his timetable for returning?

    I don't see how Modern can make this team unless Bryant is gone.

    Oh, and I'll add Orchard to my two "jump" candidates BBC and Schobert.
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    Brantley has been hurt but I hope he's been able to do the practice reps, even if he can't get in a scrimmage or game yet. What's his timetable for returning?

    I don't see how Modern can make this team unless Bryant is gone.

    Oh, and I'll add Orchard to my two "jump" candidates BBC and Schobert.
    Maybe he can "re-injure" his finger and go on IR, stash him away for the year.
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    I dont get the Xavier Cooper situation... he has it all but just cant put it together
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    Would be great if Kessler can. I'll go with Peppers though, great athlete. Think he'll be a stud

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    Quote Originally Posted by brownsdownunder View Post
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    I'm with you on this one.

    Garrett and Ogbah are our starters for a reason. It is really encouraging that Nassib and Orchard look good, but I don't think either can consistently impact the game the way we've seen Ogbah impact the game, and the way Garrett seems poised to impact the game.

    I can understand that perspective for the DT position. They're not tasked with making as many big impact plays. A big part of their jobs is simply holding the point of attack, not getting pushed off the mark or being moved to create a lane. When that is coupled with the clear decline of the big men when fatigue sets in, the depth can certainly play a role in providing a rest for the starters without significant decline.

    For the most part, though, you're going to see a drop off when your starters come out of the game. That's why I'm always a little cautious when we talk about the rotations we'll see on the defense. It is a nice idea, but in the heat of the moment, you want your best 11 men on the field at much as possible.
    Nassib played hurt last year. I'd wager he will impact the outcome of games every bit as much or more than Ogbah this year. Even as a backup. They should both be fun to watch.
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    Nassib played hurt last year. I'd wager he will impact the outcome of games every bit as much or more than Ogbah this year. Even as a backup. They should both be fun to watch.
    Agree to disagree.

    I've been a little disappointed with him. Ogbah and Garrett have, by all accounts, been our best in camp, and have solidified themselves as the starters. Then in the Saints game, Carl played well but he was completely overshadowed by Orchard, who had a monster game. Cam Johnson will be returning, and I've seen quite a few people saying he has been impressive thus far.

    Carl needs to step up. I thought he might be a chance to take serious reps away from Ogbah/Garrett, but I've not seen much that indicates him taking a big leap.
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