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    Perfectly put, Gabe. I'll just shut my mouth for once.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBestPlayersPlay View Post
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    I think Cousins would make us a hell of a lot better. But we have the #1 pick and I am aiming higher.
    Then the sensible conclusion would be get cousins and the top qb in the draft. Only that way are you assured given the BEST CHANCE FOR THE FUTURE.
    Reason is undeniable, EVERY QB PROSPECT IS JUST THAT.
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    I think Cousins would make us a hell of a lot better. But we have the #1 pick and I am aiming higher.
    That's fair. But I want good QB play as soon as possible. I have this horrible feeling we're going to choose the wrong guy. AGAIN. I know what we're getting in Cousins, and that's comforting to me.
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    I get it.

    The last time we picked a QB @ 1 ....I think we drafted a stud.

    We should be able to get it right if our new hires are as good as many are conditioned to believe.

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    Honestly, I think Mason Rudolph has just as good a chance as any of the other guys at being a first rate NFL QB.
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    Martin...

    A) Not lying. He has one of the worst records against .500 teams of what would be considered a top half QB by some (not me)
    B) You made my point for me in actuality. You stated yourself he NEEDS a top D and a top running game to even beat .500 teams (not in exactly those words, but same thing)
    C) You are asking to back up a $140M payday for a guy that NEEDS a full on great team to win...a team that could just as easily win with a rookie (see Prescott/Wilson/Kaepernick in their rookie seasons)

    So, like Gabe said, I prefer aiming a bit higher than mediocre. Sure, he will win some games for us IF we have all the pieces...but so will Case Keenum, and likely so will AJ McCarron...hell, even Fitzy could. So why back up the truck? Get one of them and shoot for the stars....not Dalton/Cinci limbo hell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KJP View Post
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    Keep looking, since this minutea means so much to you.
    I'll take this as a concession of the point.

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    If that gives you peace, enjoy.

    Point is, I want a QB for potentially more years than what Cousins can offer. Cousins is on the back half of his career and perhaps less. I want a QB at the start of a long 10- to 15-year career, who offers anywhere from a good career to a hall-of-fame career. Cousins is a good QB. That's it.

    The only veteran QB I want the Browns to sign is someone who offers Crash Davis wisdom and professionalism, who isn't going to deplete the Browns' warchest, and who can be an insurance policy for when the rookie gets hurt. I don't ever want to see a year like last year where, when the rookie QB goes down injured, the cupboard behind him is bare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin Eden View Post
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    That's fair. But I want good QB play as soon as possible. I have this horrible feeling we're going to choose the wrong guy. AGAIN. I know what we're getting in Cousins, and that's comforting to me.

    What your getting is a QB way past his prime.. you don't sink 140 mill into an aging vet who might only be servicable for 2 maybe 3 years... If you qo by analytics.. The signing doesnt justify the cost. Your taking a calculated risk.. You don't pay what is basically a bridge QB long term money like that. It's counter productive to maintiainng a strong core of players and talent.. If your desire is to build some kind of Dynasty whether thats 3-5 years altogether in that span of time.. The money you want to give away.. as I said.. does not justify the signing... You're high off your rocker, man!

    A signing like this is a kiss of death to a team... It's not conducive to winning.. Its just a temporary band-aid. And after that.. your right back in the same boat you started in.. plain and simple...
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    I'm with you KJP. I want a 10-15 year HOF QB too. I mean what NFL fan doesn't? I'd also like to have 100 million dollars while we're wishing.

    That's my only point in suggesting the Cousins route. You know what you are getting even if it isn't 15 years (it could be 10 though) of HOF play. It would make us instantly relevant, allow us to use the draft capital in other areas, and give us the fastest route to winning (my opinion).

    I'm cool swinging for the fences as you suggest. I'm just wary of the strikeout (as we've all been conditioned to be).
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    As I said, I'm happy with a good QB over 10-15 years too. What I want most is the potential for long-term stability. Cousins doesn't offer that. He offers a consolation prize.
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    The Browns will not get Cousins and a high draft pick at QB. Cousins will not sign with a team intending to draft his replacement already, especially one that will be starting no later than year two (find the #1 overalls who don't).

    And it wouldn't make any sense for the Browns to sign Cousins for five years to start him for one.

    The two simply don't fit together for either side, the Browns or Cousins. And I think there is virtually no chance that the Browns will take a pass on the top QBs in this draft. Hell, remove "virtually," because they're taking Mayfield, Rosen, or Darnold and that guy will start no later than the 2019 opener... and probably sooner.

    Hence: Cousins is not coming to Cleveland.
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    He's gonna be a Bronco. Bank it...
    This, at his age he goes to a win now situation imo.
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    What your getting is a QB way past his prime
    Now you're just being ignorant.
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    B) You made my point for me in actuality. You stated yourself he NEEDS a top D and a top running game to even beat .500 teams (not in exactly those words, but same thing)
    Name a good QB who beats good teams without having a good team behind him.
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    A) Not lying. He has one of the worst records against .500 teams of what would be considered a top half QB by some (not me)
    Prove it. Coming into last season, against winning teams:

    Matt Stafford 5-46
    Drew Brees 20-48
    Aaron Rodgers 21-29
    Matt Ryan 17-22
    Kirk Cousins 4-10
    Derek Carr 2-15

    Tom Brady 50-33
    Russell Wilson 19 -12
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    The Browns will not get Cousins and a high draft pick at QB. Cousins will not sign with a team intending to draft his replacement already, especially one that will be starting no later than year two (find the #1 overalls who don't).
    Most quarterbacks picked #1 overall start the first year, and most teams will stay with a #1 pick longer than a later pick. But picking a #1 and picking a franchise quarterback are not necessarily the same thing. Some #1 overall picks do well and some do not.

    And it wouldn't make any sense for the Browns to sign Cousins for five years to start him for one.
    Of course not. If Cousins is signed for five years, he will likely be the Browns quarterback for eight to ten years.

    The two simply don't fit together for either side, the Browns or Cousins. And I think there is virtually no chance that the Browns will take a pass on the top QBs in this draft. Hell, remove "virtually," because they're taking Mayfield, Rosen, or Darnold and that guy will start no later than the 2019 opener... and probably sooner.

    Hence: Cousins is not coming to Cleveland.
    Basically you are saying that Cousins is not coming to Cleveland because you think the Browns will draft a quarterback high and if they decide to draft a quarterback high as you think they will, it means that Cousins will not agree to come to Cleveland.

    I agree that Cousins will not come here unless we committed to him for the long term. However, I think there is a good chance of that happening. Dorsey has said that he doesn't believe in starting rookie quarterbacks. Plus consider what he actually did in KC. After becoming GM in KC, he traded for Alex Smith which cost him a second round draft choice. In that sense it would be a turn around if he signed Cousins to a Browns contract because instead of costing a draft pick, it will save a first round draft pick. I see three very good reason why the Browns are likely to sign Cousins if he is agreeable:

    1: Dorsey's apparent preference for veteran quarterbacks.

    2: Of all the teams needing a QB, the Browns can best afford what it will take to sign him.

    3: Of all the teams in the league, the Browns are the team most desperate to start winning quickly.

    Cousins may not want to come here. That is quite possible. He says he wants to win. However, he has also indicated that he might like to get back to the Midwest and his roots. Assuming he is serious about wanting to get back to the Midwest and his roots, signing Cousins to a Browns contract might be close to a slam dunk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin Eden View Post
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    Now you're just being ignorant.
    Hes 33.. not 23 you ass!
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    Prove it. Coming into last season, against winning teams:

    Matt Stafford 5-46
    Drew Brees 20-48
    Aaron Rodgers 21-29
    Matt Ryan 17-22
    Kirk Cousins 4-10
    Derek Carr 2-15

    Tom Brady 50-33
    Russell Wilson 19 -12
    Interesting stats. Would you mind mentioning where those stats came from and also the assumptions they were based on (winning for season or at the time of the game etc.)
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    Hes 33.. not 23 you ass!
    Are you confusing Cousins with Smith? Kirk Cousins is 29. Alex Smith is 33.
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    Nothing like being wrong, except to be wrong and insulting.
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    Hes 33.. not 23 you ass!
    My point proven.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brownsfan View Post
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    Interesting stats. Would you mind mentioning where those stats came from and also the assumptions they were based on (winning for season or at the time of the game etc.)
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    Top 5 quarterbacks vs. winning teams
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    Aaron Rodgers 21 29
    Tom Brady 50 33
    Matt Ryan 17 22
    Drew Brees 20 48
    Russell Wilson 19 12


    The rest I compiled myself (Cousins and Carr).
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    Name a good QB who beats good teams without having a good team behind him.
    Wilson/ rodgers

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