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Just took a peek at the Pro Football Focus depth chart ratings for the Browns -- posted Feb. 19 on Facebook -- and thought this might generate some discussion. Of course, this starting group will change some over the next few months and, in fact, has already changed. But I think it's instructive. I guess they don't have enough data on Manziel and Gilbert to rate them.
BTW, they did not include Skrine on the list, assuming he will go elsewhere. Same with Cameron. PFF gave Hartline an average grade on the Miami depth chart and I know McCown had a -16.6 rating for his performance in 2014, not so hot and probably would be rated below average by PFF.
Where I disagree is that I think Robertson is average, not below average. Overall I think Taylor is below average but he gets motivated every once a while and plays well, just doing enough each season to fool people. On offense, the very good rating for Hawkins may raise some eyebrows but PFF even wrote a little about it to defend their rating. Where I agree with PFF -- and many on this board won't -- is their rating of West and Crowell, which is below average. I think that when you look at their total body of work, they are a little below average. Hopefully both will show improvement in 2015 with a year under their collective belts.
On defense, PFF Browns Starter Ratings:
Elite: None
Very Good: Dansby, Haden,Whitner
Good: Gipson, Kruger, Williams
Average: D. Bryant, Taylor, Kitchen, Mingo
Below Average: Robertson
Unknown: Gilbert
On offense, PFF Browns Starter Ratings:
Elite: Thomas
Very Good: Bitonio, Mack, Hawkins
Good: Schwartz, Greco
Average: Gabriel, Benjamin
Below Average : West (and Crowell), and Dray
Unknown: Manziel, Barnidge (they rate a TE-L and TE-R)
IN COMPARISON: The Ravens have 7 offensive players rated good or better and 7 defensive players rated good or better, for a total of 14. The Browns have 12 players rated good or better, but the Browns are well positioned to improve that.
BTW, they did not include Skrine on the list, assuming he will go elsewhere. Same with Cameron. PFF gave Hartline an average grade on the Miami depth chart and I know McCown had a -16.6 rating for his performance in 2014, not so hot and probably would be rated below average by PFF.
Where I disagree is that I think Robertson is average, not below average. Overall I think Taylor is below average but he gets motivated every once a while and plays well, just doing enough each season to fool people. On offense, the very good rating for Hawkins may raise some eyebrows but PFF even wrote a little about it to defend their rating. Where I agree with PFF -- and many on this board won't -- is their rating of West and Crowell, which is below average. I think that when you look at their total body of work, they are a little below average. Hopefully both will show improvement in 2015 with a year under their collective belts.
On defense, PFF Browns Starter Ratings:
Elite: None
Very Good: Dansby, Haden,Whitner
Good: Gipson, Kruger, Williams
Average: D. Bryant, Taylor, Kitchen, Mingo
Below Average: Robertson
Unknown: Gilbert
On offense, PFF Browns Starter Ratings:
Elite: Thomas
Very Good: Bitonio, Mack, Hawkins
Good: Schwartz, Greco
Average: Gabriel, Benjamin
Below Average : West (and Crowell), and Dray
Unknown: Manziel, Barnidge (they rate a TE-L and TE-R)
IN COMPARISON: The Ravens have 7 offensive players rated good or better and 7 defensive players rated good or better, for a total of 14. The Browns have 12 players rated good or better, but the Browns are well positioned to improve that.
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