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Browns Amari Cooper - Here we go again

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Is this guy going to be our #1 WR? He seems to be a B grade player, maybe lower end of the top 10? Maybe I am reading this wrong, but this seems like pick for a team looking to be middle of the pack.

Will the Browns ever make a blockbuster, earth-shattering, WOW inspiring deal? this seems to be O'dumbell Beckham part II to me.
 
I thought this board had died; but after this trade I looked to see if it was back..Lo and behold. Here you are... We need to re-structure his deal to be more cap friendly.. but this really all depends on how we use him before we know if it's a great move or not. He's still in his prime and very productive. I LIKE IT . Now we don't "have" to use our round 1 draft pick on a WR who may or may not pan out (but would not cry if we still took one). Surely that 1st round pick goes at DE or DT after this move. First post in a looooong time.
 
Is this guy going to be our #1 WR? He seems to be a B grade player, maybe lower end of the top 10? Maybe I am reading this wrong, but this seems like pick for a team looking to be middle of the pack.

Will the Browns ever make a blockbuster, earth-shattering, WOW inspiring deal? this seems to be O'dumbell Beckham part II to me.

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I thought this board had died; but after this trade I looked to see if it was back..Lo and behold. Here you are... We need to re-structure his deal to be more cap friendly.. but this really all depends on how we use him before we know if it's a great move or not. He's still in his prime and very productive. I LIKE IT . Now we don't "have" to use our round 1 draft pick on a WR who may or may not pan out (but would not cry if we still took one). Surely that 1st round pick goes at DE or DT after this move. First post in a looooong time.
Good to see your alive n kickin'! Come back soon!
 
Top tier receiver at 27 years old. The team has cap space if it is unable to re-structure and can still add a high impact player in the first round of draft. over half of his receptions are for first down, its a good move. If Jarvis will restructure, DPJ as a deep threat heading into his third year and Schwartz is still a very fast man who is developing, an area of weakness just got a whole lot stronger.
 
Yeah, not so fast. Before you all ShitYourPantskis, my take is that the Amari Cooper deal is going to be an Amari Crapper deal.

It was not that long ago that many here were ShittingTheirPantskis about how potent the OBJ/Landry 1-2 combination was going to be. Now, we say OBJ was a mistake, but he helped win a SB, and from what I understand Landry may be gone.

When Clowney was signed we all ShitOurPantskis about how formidable our pass rush was going to be. So, after the initial orgasm now Clowney is too injury prone and too expensive.

Sorry, Amari Cooper doesn't make me ShitMyPantksis. Blah blah blah.... he did this, he was this, he is still in his prime.....but he never had to depend on Baker Mayfield, either, did he? Guys like this are never going to deliver in Cleveland. You guys think this is a blockbuster deal? I think the Browns got hosed in the ass.

You think Amari Cooper is the shit? Dallas, one of the better NFL teams didn't think so and took a couple really shit picks just to get rid of his ass. He woudl have cost 20 million? The Cowboys saved $16 million by flushing him down the Ohio Turdpike.

Dudes, I look at track records, so let me ask you. How long has it been since the Browns actually got the better of another team? All of a sudden these FO jackoffs are geniuses? Sorry, I don't buy it. This fucker is no future HOF'er. He had 1 catch for 40 yards or more in 2021. Again, so far, the Browns Wrs don't have opposing defenses ShittingTheirPantskis.

At 6'1" he still leaves the Browns in need of a big guy who can go up and get it. Statistically, he is a dead heat with Landry, and IMO a step down from OBJ. If you think this is a blockbuster, I think you need to stop drinking whatever it is you are drinking.

Years ago when he did the SNL weekend update Kevin Nealon (sp) would do a skit where he would ramble on and change the point he was making. When he did so, he would say, "And that's the point I really want to make, forget about that stuff I said earlier, I was just looking for something to say".

This to me is the Cleveland Browns. Each and every year the FO gets accolades for great "diamond in the rough" acquisitions. Fans talk about how this is it. Then we look good for 6 games, fall flat on our tits, and then the "we didn't know he was........" excuse for why the team blows dead turtles is released.

Nobody is going to the SB with Amari Cooper. This guy isn't going to help Baker get the blitz off his ass. I don't see how this makes the Browns better than we just were. Always fucking rebuilding.
 
Dallas, one of the better NFL teams didn't think so and took a couple really shit picks just to get rid of his ass. He woudl have cost 20 million? The Cowboys saved $16 million by flushing him down the Ohio Turdpike.

This is such a bad faith argument.

The Cowboys need to clear cap space. They aren't moving on from Cooper or Collins because they're bad players. They're moving on because they're high paid. Cooper was an obvious cut because they've invested significantly in the wide receiver position with Gallup, Lamb and Cedrick Wilson. They are not a better team without Cooper, but cap constraints create difficult decisions.

The reason he cost so little in draft picks is because he's locked in to his contract for the next three years. You should know that, it's NFL trades 101 and pretending the picks represent his value is just dumbing yourself down to make an argument everyone here is too smart to fall for.

It speaks volumes your only argument directly against Cooper is size (6'1" isn't small and he's a beast on the contested catch) and production (They had three receivers with over 800 yards, another over 600 and another over 400 - they just spread the ball around and Cooper was still second in yards and tied first in touchdowns).
 
<This is such a bad faith argument.>
It really isn't. I appreciate your enthusiasm, but you must also appreciate my reality. Let's look further.
<The Cowboys need to clear cap space. They aren't moving on from Cooper or Collins because they're bad players. They're moving on because they're high paid. Cooper was an obvious cut because they've invested significantly in the wide receiver position with Gallup, Lamb and Cedrick Wilson.>
So, you agree with me, but simply don't realize it. On one hand you maintain that Cooper was released because of a money shortage, and then in the next acknowledge that Dallas has invested heavily in other Wide Receivers. The logical question is, if Amari Cooper is so good why did the Cowboys invest in others?

This is not rocket science, and if I was an owner, I would be asking those simple questions. Why did Dallas choose to invest in other directions? You guys say he is in his prime, he is prolific, etc., so why did Dallas tie up cap funds in other recievers? The logical answer is because they have as good or better for less money.

Now, if my goal as an owner is to win a championship, I am going to be more interested in the type of the 3 guys you mentioned who Dallas has invested in and kept. You can slice this any way you want, but the Browns are never going to get to the next level signing players that are not critical to the success of the teams they are acquired from.

<They are not a better team without Cooper, but cap constraints create difficult decisions.>
Was not difficult for Dallas for as you say, they have invested heavily elsewhere. They feel they can replace him in FA or the draft for less money. As a businessman and investor, I am not going to be happy about acquiring an asset that the seller is going to turn around, replace, and pocket some extra money.

In any common sense analysis, the Cowboys got the best of the Browns.
<The reason he cost so little in draft picks is because he's locked in to his contract for the next three years. You should know that, it's NFL trades 101 and pretending the picks represent his value is just dumbing yourself down to make an argument everyone here is too smart to fall for.>
You are inhabiting the world of paper and contracts. I am inhabiting the real world. Your points are all valid and I take no exception to them, from the balance sheet perspective. But you don't realize what you are doing. All you are doing is making the case for why this was good for Dallas. And I agree with you, this was a good deal for Dallas. Most of the comments I have read call this an A- move for the Cowboys and a C move for the Browns.

<It speaks volumes your only argument directly against Cooper is size (6'1" isn't small and he's a beast on the contested catch) and production (They had three receivers with over 800 yards, another over 600 and another over 400 - they just spread the ball around and Cooper was still second in yards and tied first in touchdowns).>
*It speaks volumes that he only had 1 catch for more than 40 yards.

*It speaks volumes that a big part of the reason he was open a lot was because of the other weapons drawing coverage. He will not likely have that luxury in Cleveland.

*It speaks volumes that Dallas scored 64 TDs in 2021 while the Browns scored only 21. Even I would have more touchdowns playing for Dallas than most of the Browns receivers

* It speaks volumes that he is going to have the same issues OBJ had with a QB who is grossly inaccurate and largely blind to the field of play.

Will Cooper be productive in Cleveland? Sure. He is essentially a replacement for Landry, and even caliber switch. Good acquisition? Sure, but this isn't a blockbuster. It isn't a game changer. Cooper is not going to bring the Browns any closer to a SB than the guys we already had. He certainly is not going to the HOF, and he certainly isn't going to do for us what guys like Swann, Rice, and Warfield did for their teams.

Sorry bro, but I am too old for this "same old shit every year/pacify the fans" nonsense. The Browns continue to be vacant in successful negotiations for the very top eschalon players. Cooper's talent level is certainly above pedestrian, but it is also not novel and rare. I want to see the Browns win a championship, and I am not ShitMyPantski happy about tying up money in a guy like this when we still aren't even in sniffing distance of a game changing receiver.

"So MInny, who would you acquire?" - Dudes, I am not paid millions to research and call other teams to know this. That what the fuck the FO is supposed to do.

Job #1 should have been to find a BIG, Fast target first. Then choose your side dish. Steak first, then fries.

6 - 11 looks more and more likely to me.
 
This is always the response I get with these views BEFORE the season. Yep, you guys are rocket scientist/have all the answers experts before the season. AFTER the season however, never admitting that you are wrong, you unload the apologies and expert analyses....

* We didn't realize he doesn't fit our scheme
*We didn't realize he lost a step
*His nagging injuries got the best of him
or my favorite.....
*Fuck him, if he doesn't like it here, let him go be great somewhere else.

As I said to BDU, this doesn't smell good. He is a salary cap casualty? Yet Dallas has invested heavily in WRs. If they had funds to invest heavily in WRs, why was this wunderkind not incorporated into that plan? Simple answer....his level of talent can be found elsewhere and for less.

I would be more interested in the lower priced replacement that Dallas signs. THAT is the guy the Browns FO should be celebrating about, not guy who Dallas didn't work to keep.

In Dallas he had other receivers drawing coverage away from him. He won't have that in Cleveland, plus, as Best Players said, he will be burdened by a cockeyed bastrd QB.
 
Last comment. If this guy is so good, why couldn't Dallas get more than shit picks for him? Surely there are other teams that need a wunderkind WR and would gladly give up a 4th or even third.

While you guys ShitYourPantski I will stay here, holding down the fort in reality. We got a replacement for Landry......something we didn't need. Great.
 
Last comment. If this guy is so good, why couldn't Dallas get more than shit picks for him?

1. Dallas views CeeDee Lamb and Michael Gallup as the future. They gave Gallup a new deal today.

2. Cooper is due $20M this year. No way in hell could Dallas keep him and pay Gallup what they did today.

3. Dallas was in a position to offload him ASAP. Other teams were in the mix but none of those teams wanted to pay Cooper the $20M this year according to Ian Rapaport.
 
1. Dallas views CeeDee Lamb and Michael Gallup as the future. They gave Gallup a new deal today.

2. Cooper is due $20M this year. No way in hell could Dallas keep him and pay Gallup what they did today.

3. Dallas was in a position to offload him ASAP. Other teams were in the mix but none of those teams wanted to pay Cooper the $20M this year according to Ian Rapaport.
So you fortify my positions.
1) Dallas didn't consider him that valuable
2) 30 other teams did not want to pay what the Browns did

Now tell me again the genius in winning a race with only one entry? Ah.....30 other teams thought this deal was a fucktard mess, but the 8-9 Browns braintrust outsmarted everyone else?

Again...... here we go again with more underachieving bullshit.
 
I think it's part of a bigger plan.

Cooper is a #2 WR and they plan on him being our #2, if they can sign Allen as our #1, which will only happen if they can sign Watson.

If they can't sign Watson, we are shit up a creek anyway, and they know it ...so nothing matters.
I get that he is a #2, but we already had that in Landry. Why upset the apple cart for a sideways move? If Cooper and Landry had played for opposite teams, Landry would have Coopers stats, and vice versa.

So now, Mayfield has to learn how to overthrow and overlook a new receiver.

Was it Pluto or Cabot who wrote that the Browns are officially open to trading Mayfield? Most of the talk on Twitter was, "who TF would want him?" There are several sources now that claim the Browns are fielding calls to trade him, and supposedly have slim hope but would like to acquire Deshaun Watson.

I am not a personnel specialist, but if it is true the Browns are fielding trade calls, I think maybe Mayfield is done. One can only hope. I really hate the fucking guy.

Do we trade Landry, or release him? Boy, if we trade him and get more than we gave up for Cooper, we really look stupid.

The Steelers signing Trubisky is an interesting move. I always liked the kid and was hoping we took him over Garrett. Mitch may fare a lot better in Pittsburgh.
 
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