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Contrarian take: his Cleveland based agent is starting to play the game a bit

Maybe. Maybe not. Either way, there’s buzz he has no interest in mini-camp and will likely sign right before training camp in late July.

Oh, and if it were Matt Ioannidis vs D-Hop, I’d take Ioannidis.
 
There is not ANYONE like him on this team. When we did have a WR this good he liked to smoke a bit. (how silly nfl)

Dump the money on him. you guys know he's been playing with Midget ? like that don't count 😊
 
"... Cleveland Browns ... are still lurking on DeAndre Hopkins..."

So revisiting, if this happens, which I doubt, still asking ourselves, who goes?
Have read, with the new special teams rules, Grant may get marginalized.
Have also read, keeping 7 WR's is a stretch, but, if we're going to keep an extra body in any room, this may be the one.

WR1 Amari
WR2 Hopkins
WR3 DPJ
WR4 Tillman
Slot1 Moore
Slot2 Goodwin

(released --- ST/WR5 Grant)

They also say they really like David Bell. From a talent standpoint, he's on the right side of the bubble.
Gonna be interesting.
 
"... Cleveland Browns ... are still lurking on DeAndre Hopkins..."

So revisiting, if this happens, which I doubt, still asking ourselves, who goes?
Have read, with the new special teams rules, Grant may get marginalized.
Have also read, keeping 7 WR's is a stretch, but, if we're going to keep an extra body in any room, this may be the one.

WR1 Amari
WR2 Hopkins
WR3 DPJ
WR4 Tillman
Slot1 Moore
Slot2 Goodwin

(released --- ST/WR5 Grant)

They also say they really like David Bell. From a talent standpoint, he's on the right side of the bubble.
Gonna be interesting.
I would just release Schwartz and be done with it...
 
I think by lurking it is really they would be interested for the price CLE is willing to pay. But I think it's more reporters stretching things to have content during this dead period before camps start
 
Agree Masters. Sal Pal could be the MKC of Boston ... meaning where agents go to leak info, or make up shit, to keep their clients market hot and elevated.

I have no doubt AB has thought about it, but I highly doubt DeAndre and AB are close on price.
 
Agree Masters. Sal Pal could be the MKC of Boston ... meaning where agents go to leak info, or make up shit, to keep their clients market hot and elevated.

I have no doubt AB has thought about it, but I highly doubt DeAndre and AB are close on price.
I'm sure if they got creative they could make it work for for both sides.. But the better part of me does not see it happening.. I'm ok with running with the youngsters...
 
They already have that in Cooper. Just isn't a past favorite.
You think Cooper is good now toss Hopkins on the other side of the field. Hopkins is just a notch better imo
I just want every advantage possible, then there a matter of depth also.
Watson also showed in his last full season in hou hich was his best he did not need Hopkins
But not a winning season. not all on him for sure but 11 & 10 down to only 4 wins. that's a best season ?
none of us here will be impressed with empty numbers with 4 wins. just saying
 
You think Cooper is good now toss Hopkins on the other side of the field. Hopkins is just a notch better imo
I just want every advantage possible, then there a matter of depth also.

But not a winning season. not all on him for sure but 11 & 10 down to only 4 wins. that's a best season ?
none of us here will be impressed with empty numbers with 4 wins. just saying
Sure, a Hopkins on the opposite side is likely an upgrade. I am not buying at this stage/age Hopkins is a notch better.

While fans and media keep trying to make W/L a QB stay, they are not. QBs don't play defense. HOU in 2020 had a D that ranked at the bottom of the league in about every category. They gave up 29 points a game (24 in 2019). After the last game of the 2020 season NFL films caught JJ Watt saying to Watson “Good job, brother. I’m sorry. I’m sorry. We wasted one of your years. I’m sorry. We should have 11 wins,”
 
While fans and media keep trying to make W/L a QB stay, they are not.
That would leave you and a few thousand ? against the rest of the World. just don't like the odds. LOL

What a QB does 90% of the time is instills confidence in the whole team. coming out of the locker room with a mind set we will win today. the lesser the QB that changes to we might/could win to hope, if all goes right, little chance.
QB gets the Glory(wins) and Blame(losses) because they are that important.


While that last year in Houston was the shitshow that got Watson to the Browns. calling it "His Best" is that what Watson says about it ? I doubt it.
 
That would leave you and a few thousand ? against the rest of the World. just don't like the odds. LOL

What a QB does 90% of the time is instills confidence in the whole team. coming out of the locker room with a mind set we will win today. the lesser the QB that changes to we might/could win to hope, if all goes right, little chance.
QB gets the Glory(wins) and Blame(losses) because they are that important.


While that last year in Houston was the shitshow that got Watson to the Browns. calling it "His Best" is that what Watson says about it ? I doubt it.

I can tell you with 100% certainty (because I've seen it personally) that there is not a QB in the NFL who instills more confidence, hope and belief in their team than Watson. I'm not sure there has been a QB not named Tom Brady who has made average WR's look better than Watson either. You can argue Mahommes, but Kelce is what has largely carried that [KC] WR corp from the TE position. Take him away and we aren't talking about KC Super Bowl wins or Mahommes being a star.

That having been said, a QB can only do so much. Football is the biggest complimentary sport on the planet. While QB is also the most important position of any sport, they aren't solely responsible for wins and losses. 99% of fans have zero idea how the complimentary components work together (they have no ability to actually analyze the sport)...so they simply put wins and losses on positions such as the QB. That's just an ignorance to how the game of football actually works [and again, ability to break it down], is played and how the positions are complimentary.

I can't wait for this season. I truly think Watson will revert back to 'old' Watson with the issues behind him the rust having started to be knocked off. Not having to come into the season cold into an offense not built for him will be huge.
 
The mini-camp info about foundational offense being the same (don't have to relearn everything), but everything else is new ... was very good to hear.

 
You can argue Mahommes, but Kelce is what has largely carried that [KC] WR corp from the TE position. Take him away and we aren't talking about KC Super Bowl wins or Mahommes being a star.
If We live we'll see Kelce has 3 to 4 years left. a 38 year old NFL TE is a hard ask.
Football is the biggest complimentary sport on the planet..
Watch a AFL game. 18 players a side. The Best Team Sport on This Planet.
AFL players are some of the fittest athletes in the world. They need to be able to run long distances at high speeds, change direction quickly, and have the endurance to last for an entire game.
AFL players cover an average of 12-14 kilometers per game, with some players running as much as 20 kilometers in a single match.
And it’s not just the amount of distance that AFL players cover that is impressive, it’s also the speed at which they do it. AFL players can reach speeds of up to 35 kilometers per hour when sprinting!
 
 
That would leave you and a few thousand ? against the rest of the World. just don't like the odds. LOL
Eh, I don't worry to much about a majority, especially when they are ultimately regurgitating something which really came from the debate type shows and came from journalists that never played. Not to say journalists can't have accurate opinions or one had to have played the game to speak intelligently about it. You will notice you almost never see former player in the media talk QB W/L. Many times they will push back on it when the journalists use it as a metric. The only places I give it some credence is if a) talking playoffs, with looking at how they actually preformed at their position over games, and how they performed if having opportunities in the 4th to win the game b) talking a specific QB over a period of time with his team, along with the context of what was around them for the rest of the team (i.e when you look at the overall team were they someone who is holding the team success back).

There is a reason no official stat kept for W/L for QBs.

What a QB does 90% of the time is instills confidence in the whole team. coming out of the locker room with a mind set we will win today. the lesser the QB that changes to we might/could win to hope, if all goes right, little chance.
QB gets the Glory(wins) and Blame(losses) because they are that important.
It's true with the QB roll the vast majority of the time the QB gets all the credit when it is going well for the team (even if they didn't deserve it) and all the blame when it isn't going well for the team. That's just what comes with the position. At some point in time the QB became the face of the franchises, which means with the media they are basically a CEO, have to behave as one, and get treated as one when facing the public.

The QB does touch the ball 90% of the time, on offense. They are on the field for about half of the game time. Depending on the team and their running game capability that 90% in their hand can have half of it handing off to a guy. So the QB is getting a W for the success of the RB, the OL, and the WR success. I don't think any players go in to a game thinking we are winning because Jimmy Garapollo is behind center today, yet he has a great W/L record.

Yes the great QBs instill confidence in the team. But let's put a little perspective on that, and meaning behind it. Having a QB you know will put points on the board, and score when the game on the line is huge for the overall morale of the team. That though only goes so far and has only so much impact. It certainly takes pressure of the other fazes in that they know that of they don't play a perfect game that QB can be the eraser for the mistake. But I have yet to see a QB result in a CB covering a receiver better, any D player tackle better, a pass rusher get to the QB better, etc. You also have the situations with a great D where it instills confidence in the entire team and takes pressure off the offense. They know they have an eraser for their mistakes. But ultimately the only formula I have seen which works constantly is complimentary football from all 3 phases. But especially O and D.

Now if we are talking about how the QB goes about his business not just on Sunday's, but all through their work week preparing they can and do set the tone for the entire team. That can lead to all 3 phases being better and confident to win each week.

While that last year in Houston was the shitshow that got Watson to the Browns. calling it "His Best" is that what Watson says about it ? I doubt it.
From doing his job, and the performance of what he can control (the offense) it was his best year, both individual statistics and as an offensive unit. He and that offense didn't give up 29 points per game (they put up 24 a game and had no running game, which gets in to complimentary football that's needed even within each phase). A team is not going to win many games if the opponent is scoring 29. That offensive unit turned the ball over 18 times all season (6th fewest with Watson being responsible for 11 from 7 picks and 4 fumbles).

I go back to what NFL films caught JJ Watt saying to Watson after the final game of the 2020 season “Good job, brother. I’m sorry. I’m sorry. We wasted one of your years. I’m sorry. We should have 11 wins"
 
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Eh, I don't worry to much about a majority, especially when they are ultimately regurgitating something which really came from the debate type shows and came from journalists that never played. Not to say journalists can't have accurate opinions or one had to have played the game to speak intelligently about it. You will notice you almost never see former player in the media talk QB W/L. Many times they will push back on it when the journalists use it as a metric. The only places I give it some credence is if a) talking playoffs, with looking at how they actually preformed at their position over games, and how they performed if having opportunities in the 4th to win the game b) talking a specific QB over a period of time with his team, along with the context of what was around them for the rest of the team (i.e when you look at the overall team were they someone who is holding the team success back).

There is a reason no official stat kept for W/L for QBs.


It's true with the QB roll the vast majority of the time the QB gets all the credit when it is going well for the team (even if they didn't deserve it) and all the blame when it isn't going well for the team. That's just what comes with the position. At some point in time the QB became the face of the franchises, which means with the media they are basically a CEO, have to behave as one, and get treated as one when facing the public.

The QB does touch the ball 90% of the time, on offense. They are on the field for about half of the game time. Depending on the team and their running game capability that 90% in their hand can have half of it handing off to a guy. So the QB is getting a W for the success of the RB, the OL, and the WR success. I don't think any players go in to a game thinking we are winning because Jimmy Garapollo is behind center today, yet he has a great W/L record.

Yes the great QBs instill confidence in the team. But let's put a little perspective on that, and meaning behind it. Having a QB you know will put points on the board, and score when the game on the line is huge for the overall morale of the team. That though only goes so far and has only so much impact. It certainly takes pressure of the other fazes in that they know that of they don't play a perfect game that QB can be the eraser for the mistake. But I have yet to see a QB result in a CB covering a receiver better, any D player tackle better, a pass rusher get to the QB better, etc. You also have the situations with a great D where it instills confidence in the entire team and takes pressure off the offense. They know they have an eraser for their mistakes. But ultimately the only formula I have seen which works constantly is complimentary football from all 3 phases. But especially O and D.

Now if we are talking about how the QB goes about his business not just on Sunday's, but all through their work week preparing they can and do set the tone for the entire team. That can lead to all 3 phases being better and confident to win each week.


From doing his job, and the performance of what he can control (the offense) it was his best year, both individual statistics and as an offensive unit. He and that offense didn't give up 29 points per game (they put up 24 a game and had no running game, which gets in to complimentary football that's needed even within each phase). A team is not going to win many games if the opponent is scoring 29. That offensive unit turned the ball over 18 times all season (6th fewest with Watson being responsible for 11 from 7 picks and 4 fumbles).

I go back to what NFL films caught JJ Watt saying to Watson after the final game of the 2020 season “Good job, brother. I’m sorry. I’m sorry. We wasted one of your years. I’m sorry. We should have 11 wins"
You just have a opinion. in this case used a lot of words to spell it out.
There is a reason no official stat kept for W/L for QBs.

they keep lots of records here W-L also
 
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