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It wasn't his throwing shoulder. Funny stuff.
StyleDude, here is the problem with your line of thinking.Having your qb tear his shoulder labrum is going to cost you.
Tore mine in 2006, fucker still hurts.
You really think you don't use the other shoulder when throwing?It wasn't his throwing shoulder. Funny stuff.
What is my line of thinking then?StyleDude, here is the problem with your line of thinking.
If indeed his shoulder was a problem, it was mismanagement for the Browns to let him play. There is no room for debate or excuse on this issue. If the organization considers Mayfield to be our franchise QB then they should have protected him. Am I to believe that the outcome of a single season was more important than keeping what we believe is our QB of the future healthy for years to come?
Secondly, if Case Keenum is not good enough to carry the torch while Baker is hurt and/or having surgery, why is he on our team? If he is not good enough to get us through tough times, shouldn't the person who signed him be fired?
Here is what I think demonstrates that the entire organization needs to be fired. If Mayfield was pulled 8 - 10 weeks ago, rested and sent for surgery, he most likely would have been healed by the time the playoffs started, and certainly he would be healed and trained and ready for training camp. Letting Keenum play MIGHT have allowed us to win a couple more and get into the playoffs.
Now, perhaps Keenum would not have got us into the playoffs, but we are not in the playoffs any way. However, playing Keenum wold have allowed Baker to get healthy, it would have prevented this internal implosions with Landry, Beckam and Hunt. It would have settled the media, it would have maintained Baker's market value, and it would have given the players, coaches, fans and media that the Browns are looking at the long term solidity of building a franchise, instead of haphazardly truing to wind individual games.
Sorry, but this organization could not have mismanaged this any more poorly.
What is my line of thinking then?
You perfectly explained how having an injured QB can mess up your season - which is what you replied to.
I think you're right. He tore it in week 2. They gambled that he would be able to play well with a bum shoulder. He couldn't. I think the players saw that Mayfield and the staff were stubbornly still trotting him out, and they knew it was a lost season.
That's pretty dumb stuff. He re-injured it against the Cardinals... that should've been enough signal to get it done right away.
Recovery takes 6 to 8 weeks to heal, but another 6 to 8 to become strong enough to take NFL style hits. One setback (like, landing on it when sacked) will set you back to square one.
If he had surgery right after (say week 2) I don't think he would be able to play football for a minimum of 12 weeks. So he'd be back for week 14/15. Earliest. Rusty.
But, that's with the power of hindsight. And you know that Captain Hindsight is always right.
If is a much shorter recovery period being that this is not his active side. He will be fine by he time training camp starts.you guys are thinking baker could be back in 6 weeks.
that is the funniest sh&t Ive heard since AB smuggled that toilet seat licking bi^ch into his hotel room.
its 4-6 month recovery on this surgery.all going well he might make training camp.
guys its a fu&king surgery,hes not hungover. LMFAO!
Learn to read.you guys are thinking baker could be back in 6 weeks.
that is the funniest sh&t Ive heard since AB smuggled that toilet seat licking bi^ch into his hotel room.
its 4-6 month recovery on this surgery.all going well he might make training camp.
guys its a fu&king surgery,hes not hungover. LMFAO!
4-6 months recovery time. If you trotted him out there after 12 weeks? he'd be straight back for another surgery.If he had surgery right after (say week 2) I don't think he would be able to play football for a minimum of 12 weeks.
I said 12 weeks minimum to bring him back and I added it would be dangerous to take hits and that he would be rusty (because during recovery you can hardly throw or work out).4-6 months recovery time. If you trotted him out there after 12 weeks? he'd be straight back for another surgery.
after 6 months he wont be 100%. It will still pinch a little.
from every report on the injury Ive seen or read about. I didnt make it up paco. Its all over sports media as 4-6 monthsI wonder where you got your 4-6 months from.
What to Expect After Your Shoulder Arthroscopy and Labral RepairThere are no fixed rules for return to work. What I have described above are reasonable guidelines that I hope will help you and your employer ease your return to the workplace. Full recovery takes about 6 to 9 months.
an I said thats incorrectI said 12 weeks minimum to bring him back
Umm Its everywhere.I wonder where you got your 4-6 months from.