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The only reason I am putting this here is it DOES affect the Browns in their HC search. If the mods want to move it to general, fine by me.


Everyone is talking about McDaniels leaving NE as a done deal. I say "NOT SO FAST". There are a lot of moving parts going on there...and I believe a power struggle.

BB isn't talking (as usual), but even more-so seems a bit surly. McDaniels is on everyone's radar...but already 2 jobs are done without even looking at him. Kraft is a more hands on owner than most people are willing to admit. Then there is 42 yr old Brady...being EXTREMELY public in voicing his desire to keep playing...but with NO HOME TEAM DISCOUNT.

Ask yourself one thing...do you think Kraft is going to want to wake up next September and see Tom Brady as the starting QB for the Carolina Panthers? Or worse, the Miami Dolphins? Tom hits FA, they Pats have ZERO control over where he goes.

Bill Belichick hasn't had a cap issue for his entire career in New England due to all the sweet deals Brady has given him. Do you think he is going to be happy having his cap hit for Brady go from $15M to $35M? How much of the team would he have to gut?

So...with all that said:

Then there is the reason McDaniels didn't go to Indy. Remember, it was a heavy dose of Kraft that convinced McDaniels not to leave. In fact...control freak BB 'suddenly' allowed McDaniels more say in the running of the team...perhaps under encouragement from Kraft:

Belichick offered to include McDaniels on more of the inner workings of the organization, from roster construction to financial/salary-cap related considerations. That was viewed as “extremely valuable” to McDaniels. Ownership also endorsed it as a way to extend Belichick’s influence on the organization in future years, although no assurances were given to McDaniels that he would succeed Belichick. McDaniels, who a source confirmed got a significant raise, has privately said in the past that he did not want to be the coach who succeeds Belichick. Although he since may have changed his mind, McDaniels knows Belichick, after five Super Bowl victories, will be a hard act to follow.

Beyond financial and professional stability, McDaniels also was thinking of his family. He wanted a long-term commitment from the Patriots so his four children, ages 12 to 3, would be able to attend the same schools over the next several years. The transient life of a coach doesn’t always make that possible.

So Kraft wanted McDaniels around for post BB. McDaniels wants stability for his kids (now 14 and 5).

Don't be surprised if BB is out in NE and McDaniels/Brady stay.
 
I don't see McDaniels sticking with New England, however.

Their roster is old as shit, they have no draft capital, they're still good enough to win games to prevent them from top talent, Brady clearly isn't the same guy and won't be any better at 43-going-on-44.

And McDaniels would have to follow the greatest QB-HC combo of all time? Fuck that. Fans are literally burning Brady jerseys in droves because of a wildcard loss. That rebuild is going to be a mess.

Browns are a far more attractive job. Young talent, lots of draft capital, plenty of cap space, far lower expectations.

If I was him, it wouldn't be a contest.
 
All I know is... The longer this search goes on.. The less confident I feel were going to be in procuring a Head Coach.. I have every confidence Paul and Jimmuh will fuck this up...
 
All I know is... The longer this search goes on.. The less confident I feel were going to be in procuring a Head Coach.. I have every confidence Paul and Jimmuh will fuck this up...

the best candidates head coaches with pedigree and experience were swooped up fast.

rivera and mccarthy were the best options grown men who have done it.
 
Browns top 2 haven't changed: McDaniels and Stefanski. The worst kept secret on earth has been that the Haslams want McDaniels and McDaniels is ready for the Browns.

The Giants either lost (Occam's Razor) or the guy they hired out of nowhere really is the next John Harbaugh and Belicheck really did get on the table for him, called the Giants and said with Josh headed to Cleveland, there's no better coach in the known universe than TV legend Mike Judge. Had a fun conversation with my frequent producing partner who's a Wolverines and Giants fanatic.
 
Found this today from sports iIllustrated
seems like a good place to put it...



Advice for the Browns, to Stop Their Never-Ending Cycle of Change
The NFL offseason is a time of change... especially if you're the Cleveland Browns.
As NFL teams end their seasons, whether after the regular season or the playoffs, it is a time of change—the one and only constant in the business of football. And while there are many stories to cover these next few weeks and months—and I will be doing so here—there is one team that stands out for the way it changes annually, often seemingly for the sake of change alone.
There are a few organizations in the NFL that always seems to be a year away from being a year away, and the team that embodies this the most is…the Cleveland Browns. And, they are at it again.
In recent years I have not only resisted jumping on the bandwagon criticizing the Browns for their continued incompetence, but have been complimentary of their efforts. I have noted that whatever we think of owner Jimmy Haslam and his penchant for quick firings, at least he is willing to do—and spend—whatever it takes to (hopefully) get it right.
But now, after another “one-and-done” coaching staff and “two-and-done” front office, I can’t support Haslam and the Browns anymore. Trying to “get it right” is one thing; constant turnover with different factions empowered or disempowered is a recipe for failure. And, now looking back on this decade of misery for Browns fans, their failures are the only constant the team has.
Moneyball first movers?
Haslam made a bold move a few years back in hiring former baseball executive Paul DePodesta as a senior executive with the team. DePodesta was one of the first movers in recognizing the value of quantitative analytics in decision-making in sports, having done so in Major League Baseball for years. DePodesta was famously portrayed by Jonah Hill in the movie Moneyball, and my favorite scene had him facing the wrath of the old-school baseball scouts. They are berating DePodesta (renamed Peter Brand in the movie) for being enamored with a prospect who doesn’t pass the eye test for power, speed, etc. When confronted with all things he can’t do, DePodesta meekly retorts: “Well, he gets on base. Who doesn’t want that?” Boss.
With their hiring DePodesta I was again swimming against the “they don’t what they’re doing” tide, and in praise of the Browns. My reaction was this: Their previous ways weren’t working; why not go outside the box and hire a difference maker in another sport? Although a decade or so behind baseball, many NFL teams had hired analytics staff, whether publicly or privately. The problem with analytics in the NFL, and this is still the case today, is that most employees in that area do not have the power to meaningfully implement change in coaching decisions and personnel evaluation. But the Browns, I thought, were changing the game. They were appearing to empower DePodesta and seemed a first mover in changing NFL decision-making with a new approach from senior management. As the lead character in Moneyball, Billy Beane (played by Brad Pitt), said: “Adapt or die!”
Or not
However, following the bold hire of DePodesta on the management side, there was no similar forward thinking in hiring on the coaching or personnel side. The coaches hired under DePodesta’s leadership have been the same traditional, old-school coaches that privately, and sometimes publicly, have no use for analytics. First there was Hue Jackson who, while setting records for on-field futility, never appeared to buy in to the analytics theme. And then there was Freddie Kitchens, hired and fired in 2019, who seemed to be about the least forward-thinking coach a team could have.
Even more impactful was the mismatch between DePodesta and the front office player evaluation staff. Although there was buy-in from former general manager Sashi Brown, Brown’s tenure was short-lived and he seemed to lack both power and resolve to impose strategy on Jackson and his coaching staff. And upon Brown’s dismissal, the Browns’ selected John Dorsey, one of the NFL’s most respected college scouts, to lead the front office.
I have known John for 20 years, working with him for 10 of those, and his is, without question, a committed and talented personnel evaluator. Having said that, he would be one of the last people in the football business that I would think could be co-opted to evaluate players using “new-school” models. John has been bird-dogging players in his own way, with proven success, for over 30 years; he was not going to change his stripes in his late 50s.
John’s hiring made me believe the Browns have seemed to moved away from the analytical leadership that was supposedly there with DePodesta. And John doubled down on that with his coaching staffs, first retaining Jackson and then replacing him with Kitchens. Those coaches, like Dorsey, are not going to let a former baseball quantitative expert tell them how to scout or coach.
But, alas, come 2020, Jackson, Kitchens and Dorsey are gone, while DePodesta remains.
Back to the Future?
Now, the Browns are once again conducting a coaching search, but this time it is led by—you guessed it—DePodesta. The senior executive that we thought was empowered to run the franchise all along may now actually be doing it. Or not.
Amid the news that DePodesta is in charge, reports also indicate that the new coach and general manager will not report to DePodesta but directly to Haslam, suggesting an organizational chart with three direct reports to the owner.
This news tempers some of my optimism for the Browns, but at least DePodesta gets to—we think—handpick the leaders of the football operation. Leaders that will—we think—buy in to what DePodesta is selling and—we think—coach and manage with those principles in mind.
As it seems every year, we are back to where we started with the Browns.
We have been left scratching our heads about the Browns in recent years, wondering whether they are (1) building through the draft and sacrificing the present for future sustained success, as it seemed when they were acquiring picks before this year; or (2) taking a “win now” approach as they did this year in giving up assets to acquire players such as Odell Beckham and Olivier Vernon. Beyond the zig-zagging on team-building, we are left to wonder about the man behind the curtain. Was Paul DePodesta in charge all along, simply unable to impose his will in establishing an analytically-based football operation? Or was he there (or not there) in name only, while the traditional old-school football types did what they always do, for better or (mostly) worse? Now—we think—we will truly find out.
Pick a lane
My advice to the Browns, which is hopefully better advice than that of the homeless man who suggested they select Johnny Manziel in the first round of the 2014 draft, is to pick a lane and go all-in. If Haslam felt and still feels strongly about DePodesta, he needs to truly empower him. If the Browns are going to be what they purported to be when they hired him—first movers with leadership steeped in statistical analysis—then they should go all-in on that and trust and support DePodesta in leading that strategy.
Successful organizations (and people), in sports and in business stand for something. We may not like what they stand for, or the way they do business, but we know what they fundamentally are. In contrast, unsuccessful organizations (and people) meander in and out of different courses, often failing simply due to lack of clarity of purpose.
The Browns have been the latter, but they once again have an opportunity to be the former. I hope (again) that they don’t waste this opportunity and (again) start over this time next year. Upon the firing of Kitchens, I tweeted that I wondered who the Browns would hire in 2020 to fire in 2021. I hope they prove me wrong, I really do.
Adapt or die...
 
I honestly don't think it's all that complicated: The Browns were rightfully feeling their oats after the way 2018 ended. They had their franchise QB, they had the super-awesome Color Rush uniforms, and they had their good ol' boy coach who didn't mind getting silly with Baker on the sidelines.

And then, dear goodness... OBJ!! Talk about an endorsement!

Now it seems clear that Freddie was an emotional choice that everybody would like to do over again if they could. Interview to interview, it seems pretty clear that Stefanski blew him away. But it was hard to shake the goodtime vibes, and that's what eventually won.

I applaud all involved for having the balls to cut bait. They knew they'd take heat.
 
Now it seems clear that Freddie was an emotional choice that everybody would like to do over again if they could. Interview to interview, it seems pretty clear that Stefanski blew him away. But it was hard to shake the goodtime vibes, and that's what eventually won.
Probably how it went, but there's the rub: If I made a mistake of that magnitude in my profession it would be likely catastrophic. Sure, it happens. Management groups make really poor hires. Recognizing it is good, but not doing it in the first place when it seemed so obvious is really, really bad.

I don't think any of us were over the top about the Freddie hiring. I recall a distinct vibe of "well, they better have underwritten this guy's ability to be a HC considering he's barely been a coordinator". Whif!
 
I got sucked into it in a big way, can't deny. I had Freddie Fever. I swear, it was pretty early on when he was minimizing the importance of reps and timing between a young QB and his splashy WR corps... I started getting a little concerned.

I'd never heard someone act so meh about something so intricate and vital. Then the lack of discipline in those scrimmages and the talk of "imposing our will," that sounded a bit too rogue, a little too "fuck all y'all." Putting a target on our backs.

By the time he put on that t-shirt, it seemed right on brand and not in a good way.
 
Some of this talk is at least hilarious, we have actual reporters with actual inside sources reporting how Saleh blew the doors off in Cleveland and left the Haslams and DePo highly impressed, definitely #2 behind McDaniels at this point yet here we are still trying to promote Zimmers coffee fetcher as the leading candidate who may edge out McDaniels.

He isn't and he won't. Bank on it if McDaniels isn't the guy they hire Saleh or Schwartz.
 
Right, Rag, but Stefanski was the one blowing the doors off last offseason. And if he's a coffee fetcher for Zimmer, how is Saleh not a coffee fetcher for Shanahan? Both guys had a HC on the other side of the ball so basically functioned independently.

Zimmer doesn't know shit about offense and I'm thinking the same is true for Shanahan and defense. Same situation.

FWIW, I think both guys are really interesting. But prior to this year's meeting with Stefanski, I can't see how Saleh has passed him. But we'll see.
 
Zimmer has forgotten more about Offense than Stefanski will ever know but that is neither here nor there.

This isn't last year. Nevermind there are zero legitimate reports ANYWHERE that Stefanski blew anything except Ziggy Wylf to keep a job for 24 years, that that is all after the fact conjecture that started on Twitter 3 weeks ago, the fact still remains that this isn't last off-season.

This is this years off-season. And THIS year at THIS time the reports are Saleh LEGIT blew the doors off and everyone is high on. I don't even want the guy personally, but the reports are what they are and Zims coffee boy isn't even registering on the map. If he gets hired it will be a case of the Browns fucking it all up again and settling on a bottom tier choice. Another Shurmer, Pettine choice.
 
I kinda thought that article spoke volumes
about how we continue to screw ourselves with turnovers in owners,heads,coaches and players keep rolling over.
If McDaniels is such a coveted get, please tell me why he would come here?
What security blanket does poor Josh get in year one when we finish 8-8 or less?
Why would you move your family here when you have no security and intense pressure that will be put on him as soon as he signs?
 
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