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I want to review this one more. I expected a D performance so i was pleasantly surprised.

I cant get a good grasp on the td pass dropped/went incomplete.

It looks like a NFL/Power 5 drop to me.
But they never show a good angle.

Does anyone else have an opinion on this one? Seemed like a hell of a play by johnny to punch it in.

But i cant tell if the throw is behind the reciever a bit or if he would have even been in bounds if he caught it.
 
Some posters don't get that better players around Manziel would obviously be a better situation. Its really kind of an elementary point and not worth making.

I'd have to look at the Barnidge throw again, but hitting a guy's hand isn't the definition of a good throw. Then, of course, there's all the possible things Manziel may not have been "faultless" in on those series like making the right read, checking at the LOS, etc. I simply took issue with the armchair analysis decreeing Manziel as faultless.

Kinda silly when the offense gains 22 yards in the second half. There's "fault" a-plenty to go around on that one.
 
The thing that made me mad was Gabriel's dropped TD

It would have been 17-17

It hit him right in the hands, right in front of his head, and he had 2 feet in bounds in the back corner..

The defender didnt hit his arms until it already would have been caught, he dropped it before the defender touched him
 
Some posters don't get that better players around Manziel would obviously be a better situation. Its really kind of an elementary point and not worth making.

I'd have to look at the Barnidge throw again, but hitting a guy's hand isn't the definition of a good throw. Then, of course, there's all the possible things Manziel may not have been "faultless" in on those series like making the right read, checking at the LOS, etc. I simply took issue with the armchair analysis decreeing Manziel as faultless.

Kinda silly when the offense gains 22 yards in the second half. There's "fault" a-plenty to go around on that one.

Feel free to break down thise first 3 series in the second half with me.

I welcome it.

I truly want to know what was so horrible about those series.

And to add to the changing plays thing-we also dont know if he was put in handcuffs by our beloved bald head coach.

And i never said there wasnt fault in the second half. Im talking about the first 3 series in the second half.

Because after that its 31-10 with 7 minutes to go. (Garbage time)

If he went off in garbage time it would have been dismissed as such; still, yea, he tried to force things.

Which i actually dont have a problem with. Were down 21 with 7 minutes to go. Check downs are not going to win a game.

What they will do is maintain a respectable loss and improve stats slightly.

And manziel did say he should have done it a little bit just to get things going again... Fair enough... But he should have been taking chances there. Nfl teams punting on 4th down with 5 minutes left in the game down 22 points always hurts my butt.
 
The thing that made me mad was Gabriel's dropped TD

It would have been 17-17

It hit him right in the hands, right in front of his head, and he had 2 feet in bounds in the back corner..

The defender didnt hit his arms until it already would have been caught, he dropped it before the defender touched him

This is the one i was talking about.

No one is barking about it so i figured i was missing something.
 
Some posters don't get that better players around Manziel would obviously be a better situation. Its really kind of an elementary point and not worth making.

I'd have to look at the Barnidge throw again, but hitting a guy's hand isn't the definition of a good throw. Then, of course, there's all the possible things Manziel may not have been "faultless" in on those series like making the right read, checking at the LOS, etc. I simply took issue with the armchair analysis decreeing Manziel as faultless.

Kinda silly when the offense gains 22 yards in the second half. There's "fault" a-plenty to go around on that one.

If you watch the Barnidge play, he should have made the catch. he's made much tougher in the past two seasons.
 
This is the one i was talking about.

No one is barking about it so i figured i was missing something.

Yeah, that's the play where a bigger receiver would have had a much better chance of making the catch. That's why I argue for bigger receivers instead of the midget corps and that's one reason the Browns are one of the worst teams in scoring TDs in the red zone!
 
On Brian Hoyer's play

"I think today is a really good example of when a team wins, the quarterback gets a lot of credit and when a team loses, he gets a lot of the blame. We did not play near well enough around him. He got pressured a lot, knocked down. . . We were put in some predictable downs and distances and they were able to tee off with that front four. . . You have to be able to run the ball and get ahead of the sticks and protect him when you throw it."


Reasons for the offensive struggles


"The obvious one is the protection. . That was caused by two things: One you're not running the ball; and youre in second and nine and 3rd and 10"


-pettine


Anyone want to guess which game that is after?

He had another interception dropped. He completed only 16 of 41 attempts for 215 yards with no touchdowns and one interception for a 46.3 rating.
 
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On Brian Hoyer's play

"I think today is a really good example of when a team wins, the quarterback gets a lot of credit and when a team loses, he gets a lot of the blame. We did not play near well enough around him. He got pressured a lot, knocked down. . . We were put in some predictable downs and distances and they were able to tee off with that front four. . . You have to be able to run the ball and get ahead of the sticks and protect him when you throw it."


Reasons for the offensive struggles


"The obvious one is the protection. . That was caused by two things: One you're not running the ball; and youre in second and nine and 3rd and 10"


-pettine


Anyone want to guess which game that is after?

He had another interception dropped. He completed only 16 of 41 attempts for 215 yards with no touchdowns and one interception for a 46.3 rating.

Please, no Hoyer Shenanigans. This time, he got into Mullet's head so bad he made himself expendable. At least Johnny stayed on the roster.
 
I promised I wouldn't talk about that guy anymore.. so I can't answer the question about how it can be inferred that a certain qb can somehow be responsible for the demise of another
 
Ryan Mallett was a headcase entering the draft. He was a headcase in New England. He was a headcase in Houston. He's such a headcase that he's currently a free agent - nobody will touch him.

I get it that people hate Hoyer, and are pissed he's having success in Houston, but wow.
 
Ryan Mallett was a headcase entering the draft. He was a headcase in New England. He was a headcase in Houston. He's such a headcase that he's currently a free agent - nobody will touch him.

I get it that people hate Hoyer, and are pissed he's having success in Houston, but wow.

Mallett ran away from Michigan because he was scared of Rich Rod.

Rightfully so, but still.
 
I know some say that crow is not an elite back, I agree with that. But he's good if he's not getting hit in the backfield and when he actually has a hole to run through.

I think Crowell's downfall is his lack of consistency. That may be related to maturity, I don't know. I think there are a lot of NFL backs better than Crowell overall, but he sure can look great on selective plays.
 
Pluto's seen the light, advocating for Manziel: http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2015/11/playing_johnny_manziel_is_just.html#incart_river

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- I believe Jimmy Haslam is aware of the truth, but the Browns owner needs to remind his coaching staff of a few facts.

Start with the fact that this is not a good team. Not close. Not going to be close to a good team.

Not this year, period.

Which is why the 2-7 Browns have to seriously start thinking about next year.

Perhaps the coaching staff will disagree. Coaches are often worried about their jobs. In Cleveland, who can blame them?

But is finishing 5-11 with Josh McCown any better than 3-13 or 4-12 with Johnny Manziel?

Is finishing 5-11 with Johnson Bademosi playing ahead of Justin Gilbert productive?

Of course, that's assuming McCown helps the Browns win an extra game or two. There is no way to know that.

Finally, this team has lost four in a row. In the last three games, they have been outscored 55-3 in the second half.

WHAT WE DO KNOW

But this much is certain: The team that started the 2014 season with a 7-4 record is long gone.

That is the message that Haslam needs to deliver to his coaching staff.

The Browns finished last season on a five-game losing streak. Pile that on to 2015, and they are 2-12 in their last 14 games. That's nearly a full 16-game NFL season.

The grand plans for respectability and perhaps a shot at the playoffs in 2015 have been shredded by the reality of what has happened on the field. The hopes of duplicating the style that led to last season's 7-4 start have been a dismal failure.

As I wrote a few days ago, some of this is due the Ray Farmer's drafting and free agent signings.

But some of this also falls right into the lap of Mike Pettine and his coaching staff.

I was pleased to hear Pettine finally say this: "These couple of days off should give us the opportunity to focus on what we need to do to correct the mistakes we have been making ... the brutal fact is that we're a 2-7 football team and that is not acceptable from our standpoint."

I wish he would have named Manziel starter. He did not. He still appears to be trying to decide.

POWER STRUGGLE?

I have received several emails from fans who believe Pettine and Farmer are in some sort of power struggle. The contention is that Pettine isn't playing some of Farmer's picks -- especially Manziel and Gilbert -- to prove some point. The same with Dwayne Bowe being inactive for most games.

I doubt that is the case. It makes no sense for a coach to keep talent on the bench when the season is swirling right down the drain.

Now consider this:

1. After the 2012 season, Haslam fired the coaching staff and the key football front office people. He inherited them from the previous ownership of Randy Lerner.

2. After the 2013 season, Haslam fired the coaching staff and the key football front office people. He hired those people.

3. A good way for Pettine and Farmer to end up fired is to fail to work together.

Both men have to be very aware of the recent history of the Browns under Haslam. They have only one game in the next 24 days. Come up with a viable plan for the rest of the season that also will help in 2016.

IT STARTS WITH MANZIEL

That's why they need to hand the offense over to Manziel and design game plans that accent his strengths.

I'm far more of a Manziel Doubter than a Manziel Supporter. But I also can read the calendar. McCown is 36.

And I can count. He has had one concussion this season. He was tested for another in the preseason, and tested for yet another one after the loss to the Rams.

Right now, I can't recall what supposedly is hurting McCown more -- his ribs or his shoulder?

It makes zero sense to play him on November 15 when the Browns travel to Pittsburgh. As I wrote Friday, Manziel has shown significant progress in terms of his approach and poise to at least look like an NFL quarterback.

Does he have the physical ability to succeed?

No idea.

But there are seven games left, and it's time for the Browns to begin to see if Manziel does have starting potential for 2016.
I'm far more of a Manziel Doubter than a Manziel Supporter. But I also can read the calendar. McCown is 36.

OTHERS SHOULD PLAY

Pettine finally gave some snaps (23) to Gilbert at cornerback in the loss to Cincinnati. He had played only nine total snaps on defense in the first eight games.

He had been using Bademosi over the 2014 first-rounder. The problem is Bademosi is first a special teams player. Then, he's a safety. Cornerback is third on his list of NFL skills.

As with Manziel, I have no idea if Gilbert can develop into a starter.

But Joe Haden is out with his second concussion of the season. He also has rib injuries. He's beaten up.

K'Waun Williams should continue to cover slot receivers.

But why not let Pierre Desir and Gilbert handle the other cornerback across from Tramon Williams? Why rush Haden back again? Two concussions in five weeks is serious business.

Undrafted free agent Jamie Meder is showing real promise as a defensive lineman.

The coaches have done a good job of working him in (232 snaps) this season. Here's how the other defensive linemen have played: Randy Starks (333 snaps), Danny Shelton (304 snaps), Desmond Bryant (284), John Hughes (254) and Xavier Cooper (182).

At linebacker, I'm far more interested in seeing what Nate Orchard can do as opposed to Barkevious Mingo. But the Browns can also find some snaps for Mingo.

This isn't about playing all the kids, all the time.

It is accepting the reality of the 2015 season, and how the Browns need to look at some of their younger players for 2016.
 
Feel free to break down thise first 3 series in the second half with me.

I welcome it.

I truly want to know what was so horrible about those series.

And to add to the changing plays thing-we also dont know if he was put in handcuffs by our beloved bald head coach.

And i never said there wasnt fault in the second half. Im talking about the first 3 series in the second half.
I think you've self-banished your Love-Manziel-Above-All-Things ass, so hopefully this post falls on deaf ears.

You, not me, you said he was faultless for those 3 series. Fucking faultless. That's a bold ass, ignorant and stupid fucking statement to make since you don't know absolutely anything about how those 9 plays or so were supposed to go down. What reads were to be made, what options were available on each play, etc.

I simply responded stating its hard to call a QB's play faultless over a 3 drive span that doesn't yield a single first down. Note: I didn't say anything negative about Manziel's play, just taking issue with faultless. Now you want me to break those plays down? I tell you what: Call your buddy Manziel and have him get you and I an appointment with Flip. He can walk us through the film and tell us all about faultless.

If you need anymore rudimentary help with basic logic, feel free to respond.
 
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