I'm seriously digging Dorsey's approach so far
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KJP
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I assume you mean this article??
Key offensive selections herald culture shift in Cleveland
https://www.ndtscouting.com/solak-key-offensive-selections-herald-culture-shift-in-cleveland/
Even if you didn't, it's a good article.
Enigmatic Evil
Mr. Censor
A dude married his hand so I don't see why not.
I agree with the principal idea that the culture shift has to happen on the offensive side. How long now has Cleveland ran just an utterly anemic offense? Like a decade lmao... This article was a great read, the Corbett parts in particular. Dude is a mauler. I cannot wait to see, what I anticipate, will be a more successful transition from the NCAA than Shon Coleman.
I agree with the principal idea that the culture shift has to happen on the offensive side. How long now has Cleveland ran just an utterly anemic offense? Like a decade lmao... This article was a great read, the Corbett parts in particular. Dude is a mauler. I cannot wait to see, what I anticipate, will be a more successful transition from the NCAA than Shon Coleman.
nickers
Nick@Nite
I think whats funny.. I was watching one of the regularly syndicated sports channels and one of the talking heads is regarding Murmur as some kind of offensive genius now that he's with the G-Men.. I nearly spit out My beverage....
Shep
Well-known member
I like Corbett a ton, thought it was a really clever pick, get the talent and production on a guy who's a half inch of height and a couple inches of arm from being prototype. And pretty much identical to Conner Williams but a better player and a terrific athlete with a deep mean streak.
But I also really like Shon Coleman. It's a huge year for him and I expect him to play like it. He has ideal length and strength and does have the attention to detail coach's love. He's not the athlete that Corbett is but he's not a stiff either.
Not saying he's in danger of being out of the league -- he's nowhere close, he'll have a job for a long time -- but if he doesn't inherit the LT job as originally planned, it moves him from full-time starter to backup, not the path he was hoping for.
But let's be real: He may have lined up with the starters because Corbett, like all the rooks, "has to earn it." It's tradition. But Corbett and Hubbard were brought in with commitments (money, draft slot) that make them almost certain starters.
It can go back and forth but in the end, for the most part, that wins out until they play their way to the bench. I'd expect a line of Corbett, Bitonio, Tretter, Zeitler, Hubbard. And I'm keeping my eye on Austin Reiter. He fits what the new brass wants from an OL, namely athletes, and he's younger and stronger than Tretter. If Tretter is only so-so, I won't be stunned to see Reiter snatch that job.
But I also really like Shon Coleman. It's a huge year for him and I expect him to play like it. He has ideal length and strength and does have the attention to detail coach's love. He's not the athlete that Corbett is but he's not a stiff either.
Not saying he's in danger of being out of the league -- he's nowhere close, he'll have a job for a long time -- but if he doesn't inherit the LT job as originally planned, it moves him from full-time starter to backup, not the path he was hoping for.
But let's be real: He may have lined up with the starters because Corbett, like all the rooks, "has to earn it." It's tradition. But Corbett and Hubbard were brought in with commitments (money, draft slot) that make them almost certain starters.
It can go back and forth but in the end, for the most part, that wins out until they play their way to the bench. I'd expect a line of Corbett, Bitonio, Tretter, Zeitler, Hubbard. And I'm keeping my eye on Austin Reiter. He fits what the new brass wants from an OL, namely athletes, and he's younger and stronger than Tretter. If Tretter is only so-so, I won't be stunned to see Reiter snatch that job.
nickers
Nick@Nite
And you have to factor in that Tretter has been injury riddled...
nickers
Nick@Nite
Let's hope we can escape the injury bug for once...
Stylepoints
Memento Mori
That is why you need depth. We finally are having some of it that resembles it.
If someone goes down we might actually have a backup.
jaydog
Football God
Shaky depth at a lot of positions like TE and OT. Hell I don't know if we have any depth at OT.
Same for WR unless you're counting on Coleman as a player and the rookie Callaway as a player and that Higgins and Lois have suddenly upped their games.
Even though we've improved the QB room a ton we're still counting on a middle of the road QB as a starter, a rookie and a career backup...and that's improvement over last year!
:rip: 1-31 :rip:
Same for WR unless you're counting on Coleman as a player and the rookie Callaway as a player and that Higgins and Lois have suddenly upped their games.
Even though we've improved the QB room a ton we're still counting on a middle of the road QB as a starter, a rookie and a career backup...and that's improvement over last year!
:rip: 1-31 :rip:
Stylepoints
Memento Mori
OT and Linebacker lacks depth. Dline rotation could use more quality. I'd say Tyrod is about middle of the road. Beats out anyone we've had the last few years; they didn't even know there _was_ a road.
I see promise in Mayfield but let him throw a pass first before I crown him.
Shep
Well-known member
Hold on a gosh darn diggity dog moment here.
We lack depth at TE? With Njoku, Fells, and DeValve? Am I missing something?
Totally disagree on WR too. We added Landry, Callaway, Janis, and Ratley in one offseason, have Gordon available and in camp for once... and you think we're shallow at WR? Generally three WRs contribute and the rest is development, specials, and emergency depth.
Assuming Gordon, Landry, Coleman, and Callaway are the top four, that leaves Janis, Ratley, Louis, and Higgins competing for two roster spots and one game-day slot and virtually zero looks. That's deep and good.
We just drafted Genard Avery to add depth at linebacker along with Burgess and Carder. BTW... wasn't Justin Currie a safety last year? He's listed as a LB this year.
I don't see any serious "shallow" areas on the team. True, we're silly deep at OL, RB, and the whole defensive backfield, but I don't see any real issues elsewhere either.
We lack depth at TE? With Njoku, Fells, and DeValve? Am I missing something?
Totally disagree on WR too. We added Landry, Callaway, Janis, and Ratley in one offseason, have Gordon available and in camp for once... and you think we're shallow at WR? Generally three WRs contribute and the rest is development, specials, and emergency depth.
Assuming Gordon, Landry, Coleman, and Callaway are the top four, that leaves Janis, Ratley, Louis, and Higgins competing for two roster spots and one game-day slot and virtually zero looks. That's deep and good.
We just drafted Genard Avery to add depth at linebacker along with Burgess and Carder. BTW... wasn't Justin Currie a safety last year? He's listed as a LB this year.
I don't see any serious "shallow" areas on the team. True, we're silly deep at OL, RB, and the whole defensive backfield, but I don't see any real issues elsewhere either.
KJP
Well-known member
But many of those guys haven't played a down in the NFL and some, like Gordon, can't keep their shit together or, like Coleman, can't stay healthy long enough to stay on the field. Sure, there's tons of talent on this team. But production? Winning? It's theoretical. Most of these guys haven't proven a damn thing. Yet.
Stylepoints
Memento Mori
Landry is a proven good receiver. Gordon is too if he plays. The rest is jag until proven otherwise or rookie.
Silly deep at OL? Yes we have guys but our 2017 RT might go to LT or the LT will be Johnson who is unproven and who is a t RT could be anyone and probably a guy who couldn't start in pittsburgh.
LB depth doesn't mean you have warm bodies. It means you have players who won't make you lose games when they need to go in when a starter goes down.
It's good that Taylor and Mayfield are mobile. They will need it.
Shep
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Agree to disagree. I see quality depth all over the field, including starters from last year. Coley's a good example, probably backs up Brantley (the more explosive athlete at 3-tech). Drango started at LT much of last year and he'll be a backup in 2018 (along with Reiter, perhaps Coleman, Rod Johnson, and others).
TE is absolutely deep and good. WR is deeper than we've seen in ages. Some damn good DBs are gonna be scrambling for minutes. We did so much work the last two offseasons, it's starting to show up and not just in the starting lineup.
TE is absolutely deep and good. WR is deeper than we've seen in ages. Some damn good DBs are gonna be scrambling for minutes. We did so much work the last two offseasons, it's starting to show up and not just in the starting lineup.
jaydog
Football God
After Landry and Gordon there are a bunch of "IFs" at WR. What we're hearing is they look good, but that don't mean they are.
Janis is a ST'er who's position happens to be WR.
Coleman has not garnered any attention early on according to Labbe and MKC. Again the 15th pick in the draft that we're now supposed to expect become good? More of a bust than not at this point. The 15th pick in the draft should impress day 1. Not year 3.
Lois and Higgins only have reps over Callaway and Ratley and Callaway has impressed early. So it seems Callaway may play in front of stone hands Coleman by time the first game is played.
C'mon Warrior! Don't get hooked on Coleman because he was the 15th pick and don't make excuses.
That said let the excuses roll...:rofl:
Janis is a ST'er who's position happens to be WR.
Coleman has not garnered any attention early on according to Labbe and MKC. Again the 15th pick in the draft that we're now supposed to expect become good? More of a bust than not at this point. The 15th pick in the draft should impress day 1. Not year 3.
Lois and Higgins only have reps over Callaway and Ratley and Callaway has impressed early. So it seems Callaway may play in front of stone hands Coleman by time the first game is played.
C'mon Warrior! Don't get hooked on Coleman because he was the 15th pick and don't make excuses.
That said let the excuses roll...:rofl:
Stylepoints
Memento Mori
We are indeed building on a 1-31 team. Most of those starters should be backups. And slowly they are.
But some will still play, it is good Peppers goes somewhere else because he played for the Argonauts in a Browns jersey. It's good they drafted high with Ward at cornerback. But it's hoping a rookie to make the difference. The last year starters were plain awful.
At linebacker we don't have depth.
At End we have a good rotation if Garret Ogbah and Nassib are healthy.
At DT we have 3 names. Yay.
Sorry I care most about NFL defenses. Offense should be easy in 2018.
You know. Dink and dunk and dpi yourself to the end zone. Easy. We suck at it. Because we can't block.
Brownsfan
Continuity Please!
What we had last year was a mixture of some really good players and a lot of great guys with practice squad level talent. On offense, we had a couple of really good players like Joel Bitonio and Kevin Zeitler. Those guys are not backups in any league. David Njoku didn't start last year, but he likely will this year. On Defense, Myles Garrett would start on any team in the league and Emmanuel Ogbah and Jamie Collins would start on most. Larry Ogunjobi is an incredibly promising prospect that in my opinion would start on most 4-3 defenses. None of those guys are backups in any sense of the word. And there were others who performed well such as Christian Kirksey, Joe Schobert and J.C. Tretter and would likely start on most NFL teams.
As I have said before, Sashi didn't leave the team devoid of talent. He drafted well, generally, and he certainly left the team with more good young talent than the over-the-hill gang he inherited. The problem with Sashi was that he got rid of a number of the over-the-hill gang members associated with prior regimes prematurely and replaced them with available talent (which was largely practice squad level) to fill in around the relatively good players he either inherited or acquired. And then finally, as if to drive home a point, he forced the starting of a rookie quarterback who was simply not ready to start by limiting the QB room to Kizer, Kessler and Hogan. It was a prescription for disaster despite his good work in acquiring and drafting some relatively good talent.
Dorsey has largely reversed the problem already with the acquisition and drafting of additional good young players and some good depth that essentially fills out the team and will essentially rid us of most of the practice squad level talent. Most of our starters this year are easily penciled in. A number of others will be determined in training camp. The result will be a significant upgrade in the both the remaining starters and the depth.
I think we have a chance of being pretty good this year.