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8 sacks is not on Watson. Dropped passes is not on Watson.
(See above and let me know QB's that have gone through that grinder and played well?)
I stand by what I said and it looks like at this point it is irrefutable.

That said Watson did hang onto the ball a few times but he was getting hammered damn near every play because the OLine was shit. So much so we couldn't run the ball either.

A QB that gets sacked 8 times and has no running game has no chance. Even when he hits WR's in the damn numbers they drop it like stone hands Quincy Morgan.

What NFL team is number 1 in dropped passes? If not us we are right at the top.
 
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Get this straight. . . I'm not blaming only Watson for the losses. We have sucked big-time in all three games. I'm blaming Watson for a lack of passion, mediocre play, and no leadership. His post-game presser was basically, "We lost, so what. I'm going to keep playing hard, but I have no interest in leading this team or holding anyone accountable."

And at this rate, Stefanski is going to go from coach of the year to worst coach of the year.

This team is LOST and Leaderless.
 
Get this straight. . . I'm not blaming only Watson for the losses. We have sucked big-time in all three games. I'm blaming Watson for a lack of passion, mediocre play, and no leadership. His post-game presser was basically, "We lost, so what. I'm going to keep playing hard, but I have no interest in leading this team or holding anyone accountable."

And at this rate, Stefanski is going to go from coach of the year to worst coach of the year.

This team is LOST and Leaderless.


DeSuck has gotten enough free passes.. This team had an Oline to fix and a QB they shouldve never invested in in Defraud Twatson.. Firing Stump Mitchell and AVP was flat out stupid.. Ken Dorsey's system is more suited to Brock Purdy than Desuck Twatson.. This team is still stuck on stupid...
 

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This is the truth...
It's the OLine issues, and Dickerson is directly responsible for a veteran OLine that somehow forgot how to block twists, loops and stunts.

The staff is responsible for piss poor adjustments and/or game planning. They share in that and WR's dropping balls and fumbles.

Watson started the game dropping the ball in the MF'ing bucket for 6 to Cooper. A perfectly thrown ball. After that he was running for his life. Sometimes rushers ran in unblocked and he couldn't even set up. Then he started getting whacked. All day. And still throws a perfect ball to Tillman late that would've kept the chains moving. But he dropped the ball. Then a fumble and done.
 
Whatever you want to call it. players just know before the game if they have a chance Today. Chief's players Know they are going to win. it' a mind set. our players look like they think....... "WTF is going to happen today"
 
But that discounts the fact that the Browns made a comeback.

To start the year many here said that all Watson has to do is be average. Sunday he was as good as any QB under constant the duress he was subjected to. We lost. Is that line of thought no longer relevant and if so, what has changed?

Watson was driving down field when Tillman dropped a catch that most high school WR's make. Then there we still had a shot after the defense forced a punt and we were once again driving until the fumble. The score to ice the game was given up by the Browns defense but we know they had performed flawlessly up until then.

I'm not shook by a bad loss this early except for the OLine. They have been shit for all of 12 quarters of football. That is the constant that I see.

 
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Stefanski is totally untouchable for 2024. Confidence in him, like for most coaches, is TBD annually until you have a long and successful track record.

What are we saying if we head into the Eagles game at 3-2 may be different. Right now, everything sucks. It's the standard post-loss mood. Especially when the season is young and the current year's team identity is yet to be established.

If Ced catches that 4th down pass and we win last week, then we could be heading to bed tomorrow night at 3-1 with a dub, but alas.
 
Browns have taken a step back defensively: Do they need to mix it up more? Inside the Numbers

Problem No. 1: Defending motion
Through three weeks, opposing offenses have used motion to stretch the Browns laterally in the run game. Motion is a great way for the offense to force the defense’s hand not only in coverage but also in alignment. It forces the defense to be disciplined and cohesive in order to plug all the run gaps on the line of scrimmage.

This is an area in which the Browns defense has struggled, and offenses have been reaping the benefits. According to Sports Info Solutions, when facing motion, the Browns run defense has ranked:



Run defense vs. motion (2024)



  • 5.3 yards per rush allowed (27th)
  • 0.11 EPA/rush allowed (26th)
  • 37.5% first down allowed (32nd)


As you can see, the Browns have been atrocious against the run when motion is involved. But this is a continuing trend for this defense. Here’s last year:

Run defense vs. motion (2023)

4.9 yards per rush allowed (31st)
-0.06 EPA/rush allowed (16th)
24% first down allowed (21st)
The Browns defense was at the bottom of the league in 2023 at defending runs with motion. Even in a historically dominant year, the Browns defense was very poor in this area.

This is where defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz has failed. Under his tenure, the Browns defense has struggled significantly against motion. Opposing offenses are going to continue to attack the Browns with motion unless this defense can learn to play with gap discipline.

Problem No. 2: Tackling
This Browns defense prides itself on being ultra-aggressive. Schwartz has preached this from the very start — not just since he was hired by the Browns but also for his coaching career. This defense has put the team on its back via turnovers and explosive plays. However, the Browns’ defensive aggressiveness has hurt them, especially to start the 2024 season.

Tackling (2024)
3.6 yards after contact per rush allowed (32nd)
11.2% missed tackle rate (23rd)
Tackling (2023)

2.6 yards after contact per rush allowed (24th)
12.4% missed tackle rate (30th)
The tackling was bad last season, and it is now bleeding into this one. The Browns defense has really struggled to rein in its aggressiveness. This has led to tons of plays of overpursuit and misalignment.

It’s why the Browns have not only struggled with tackling, but also with defending motion as well. This lack of eye discipline is a broader issue that has hurt the Browns defense in numerous ways.

Problem No. 3: Low coverage entropy


Entropy is the measure of how random a set of data is. In the context of pass coverage, it’s a measure of how much variety a defense uses. Do they mix up their play calls and disguise their coverages (high entropy) or do they more or less stick to the same things (low entropy)?



The Browns have had extremely low entropy on defense since 2023. In other words: They have been predictable.



Under Schwartz, they’ve run the most single-high-safety coverages out of anyone in the NFL. They ran it 320 times in 2023 (highest in NFL) and 64 times so far in 2024 (highest in NFL).

They have been excellent defending the pass in these coverage shells. But the lack of unpredictability has allowed offenses to take advantage with motion and playing in open space.

Playing one-high-safety coverages often means Cover 1 for the Browns, a man-to-man coverage call. Motion is a great way to combat man coverage since it forces the defense to follow the man in motion, thus creating open space.

It’s why the Browns defense has felt a bit “boom-or-bust.”

They are either seemingly making highlight-reel sacks and tackles for loss, or giving up back-to-back 15-yard runs.

The overaggressiveness is something we covered last year and the Browns paid the price for it in the Houston playoff game. With the future in focus, Schwartz must figure out how to balance his unapologetically aggressive defense with control and discipline.
 
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