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I'm seriously digging Dorsey's approach so far

We’ll never know.
Sure, if I’m a Chiefs fan or beat writer, I’m giving as much credit as I can to Reid.
If I’m a Browns fan, then Dorsey.

Dorsey deserves SOME level of draft respect, and he had a heckuva first draft here, so clearly he is/was more than a Reid puppet.
 
Comparison


Dorsey 2018
1st Round (#1): QB Baker Mayfield - 5th graded QB
1st Round (#4): CB Denzel Ward - 6th graded CB
2nd Round (#33): OL Austin Corbett - role player guard
2nd Round (#35): RB Nick Chubb - back seat to Chyde's success, but averaging 7 yards/carry
3rd Round (#67): DE Chad Thomas - rotational DL, 83 snaps this season
4th Round (#105): WR Antonio Callaway - starter and a threat
5th Round (#150): LB Genard Avery - top rated DE. (Bradley Chubb fell to 46th ftr)
6th Round (#175): WR Damion Ratley - depth WR
6th Round (#188): CB Simeon Thomas - released

Reid 2018
Round 2 (46) LB Breeland Speaks - played 6 snaps last game
Round 3 (75) DT Derrick Nnadi - rotation DL, 18 plays a game
Round 3 (100) LB Dorian O’ Daniel - has played 1 play
Round 4 (124) - S Armani Watts - 27.9 grade, in the basement
Round 6 (196) - CB Tremon Smith - 6 plays this season
Round 6 (198) - OG Kahlil McKenzie - 0 regular season snaps

Reid's draft this past spring blew balls. Does it matter? Nope, because he has Mahomes, Hill, and Kelce. To his credit? Sure Chiefs fans, tell yourself that, because it doesn't matter, because you have the QBoF and alz well.
 
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OconRecon said:
Comparison


Dorsey 2018
1st Round (#1): QB Baker Mayfield - 5th graded QB
1st Round (#4): CB Denzel Ward - 6th graded CB
2nd Round (#33): OL Austin Corbett - role player guard
2nd Round (#35): RB Nick Chubb - back seat to Chyde's success, but averaging 7 yards/carry
3rd Round (#67): DE Chad Thomas - rotational DL, 83 snaps this season
4th Round (#105): WR Antonio Callaway - starter and a threat
5th Round (#150): LB Genard Avery - top rated DE. (Bradley Chubb fell to 46th ftr)
6th Round (#175): WR Damion Ratley - depth WR
6th Round (#188): CB Simeon Thomas - released

Reid 2018
Round 2 (46) LB Breeland Speaks - played 6 snaps last game
Round 3 (75) DT Derrick Nnadi - rotation DL, 18 plays a game
Round 3 (100) LB Dorian O’ Daniel - has played 1 play
Round 4 (124) - S Armani Watts - 27.9 grade, in the basement
Round 6 (196) - CB Tremon Smith - 6 plays this season
Round 6 (198) - OG Kahlil McKenzie - 0 regular season snaps

Reid's draft this past spring blew balls. Does it matter? Nope, because he has Mahomes, Hill, and Kelce. To his credit? Sure Chiefs fans, tell yourself that, because it doesn't matter, because you have the QBoF and alz well.
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In hindsight, Sutton, Landry or Pettis would have been nice at the Corbett pick, and maybe Zeus Jr at the Thomas pick?

But it’s early days yet...
 
OconRecon said:
Oh hell yes on Zeus. His passblocking grades, in limited snaps, has been stellar, which is exactly what Baker said he brings to the table.
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i havent seen much on him didnt he get benched after starting all preseason? .. but he could turn into a a good NFL RT will just take some time. he would have been great to develop behind hubbard.

corbs looks like a baby i think he will be a good player once he develops and gets more strength.
 
EastSideDawg said:
i havent seen much on him didnt he get benched after starting all preseason? .. but he could turn into a a good NFL RT will just take some time. he would have been great to develop behind hubbard.

corbs looks like a baby i think he will be a good player once he develops and gets more strength.
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Dunno, did he? I missed that if so. Very possible. I just looked up his PFF stuff.

I feel good about N. Chubb, speaking of our 2nd rounders, as he looks to be at least as good as Carlos running the ball, so I'm betting he'll be fine.

I'm somewhat more worried about Corbett, but he's a worker and wants to be better. Maturity and strengthening (I agree) will help. His pass blocking grade, in limited snaps, edges out Hubbard's.

Hubbard is a pro, at his ceiling, and he's doing okay, but not great. Baker's quick TTT will help.
Harrison I'm less worried about. More naturally gifted and not at his ceiling. Anxious to watch him develop.
 
OconRecon said:
Dunno, did he? I missed that if so. Very possible. I just looked up his PFF stuff.

I feel good about N. Chubb, speaking of our 2nd rounders, as he looks to be at least as good as Carlos running the ball, so I'm betting he'll be fine.

I'm somewhat more worried about Corbett, but he's a worker and wants to be better. Maturity and strengthening (I agree) will help. His pass blocking grade, in limited snaps, edges out Hubbard's.

Hubbard is a pro, at his ceiling, and he's doing okay, but not great. Baker's quick TTT will help.
Harrison I'm less worried about. More naturally gifted and not at his ceiling. Anxious to watch him develop.
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yeah hurst has been starting over him so far in the regular season.


as far as corbett i wonder if he could be the RT of the future. everyone is saying he will go to center. but tretter has been great so far this year. i dont want to just get rid of a good player for no reason.
 
Cliff you are citing propaganda written by the same author twice.

Everyone knows Andy Reid is a QB guru. Dorsey didn't have final say on that pick especially with one foot out the door because he was about to be fired. Common sense.

It's hard to argue common sense, but you do it a lot, so have fun with it.

Dorsey'a Browns chapter has yet to written, so far so good, other than being stuck.with Hue but that's not his fault, yet.
 
Need a poll, (but it's too soon) on Dorsey's best trade

A) Kizer for Randall
B) Andy Lee for Jarvis Landry
C) Cam Erving for Genard Avery
D) All of the above, as who gives a shit, they're all pretty good at this point

Big John wasn't there for the front end, but he finished.

We can debate Andy Reid, but at least it's not because Dorsey appears to not know what he's going.

There's a chance the KC and CLE situations are a win/win. It does occasionally happen.
 
TheBestPlayersPlay said:
Cliff you are citing propaganda written by the same author twice.

Everyone knows Andy Reid is a QB guru. Dorsey didn't have final say on that pick especially with one foot out the door because he was about to be fired. Common sense.

It's hard to argue common sense, but you do it a lot, so have fun with it.

Dorsey'a Browns chapter has yet to written, so far so good, other than being stuck.with Hue but that's not his fault, yet.
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You use that "Everybody knows..." a lot. Well, sometimes what you say "everybody knows" runs contrary to the facts. As Ocon mentioned, KC beat writers have a reason to cozy up to Reid and discount Dorsey now. Merely because that is their story now does not belie the story they told a year ago last April.

Of course, they had reason to cozy up to Dorsey back when he was the GM. So presenting him as the great talent evaluator was par for the course back then just as saying admiring things about Reid is now. But the fact remains that back in April of last year when the likelihood of success was less clear than it is now, Dorsey was the one taking the lead on selling the Mahomes pick.

It seems unlikely that he would have taken on that job with such enthusiasm if the pick had been forced on him. And remember, he had to arrange for a possible trade ahead of time in order for him to move up to draft the kid.
 
It sounds pretty clear that Dorsey was high on Mahomes. If they'd just argued over a pick, I'd buy it... but it took a shit ton of maneuvering and that's all Dorsey. It just doesn't quite wash. Plus Reid's history as a GM is in that F- territory like Holmgren while Dorsey is a living legend.

We can say he has a stigma with a straight face... but he ain't got no stigma. He's a God among men right now in scouting circles, guarantee it. He's got a shit ton of feathers but the big ones, green, red, and brown, pretty much lock him into Canton.
 
TheBestPlayersPlay said:
Not trying to pile on Dorsey, just in constant pursuit of the truth.
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That'll likely remain elusive, but the story that there were communication issues in KC reads truer than the ego stuff (think that was more Dave Gettleman's prob in Carolina).

We've already gotten a sense of how much Dorsey communicates via rah-rah catchphrases & aphorisms. Not a big deal, but I could see that grating a bit over time. And it probably makes things trickier in an organization with multiple power centers, including an HC not immune to power plays in Andy Reid.

Hopefully, the structure in Cleveland — Dorsey in charge, surrounded by GB vets who know how he works — proves more durable. As Ocon's noted, the early returns seem pretty damn good.
 
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Amen Alo, hopefully ....I think even Hue can have success with the structure as is. That being said, once Haley and Williams move on to their next HC job in a year or two ...Hue will be demanding some power back and an extension based on winning, and doom will ensue.

Sounds outlandish perhaps, but I am preconditioned at this point to expect such things.
 
TheBestPlayersPlay said:
Amen Alo, hopefully ....I think even Hue can have success with the structure as is. That being said, once Haley and Williams move on to their next HC job in a year or two ...Hue will be demanding some power back and an extension based on winning, and doom will ensue.

Sounds outlandish perhaps, but I am preconditioned at this point to expect such things.
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Well.. I'll play devils advocate so to speak and put a small "BF" spin on this and say.. .. "Let's hope Hue , evolves and grows from his mistakes ".. Before this gig.. Hue was only a HC for what.. 8 games or so?... The team went total gut out and rebuild here... I'm not saying he's the ultimate answer... But if he does his part as an administrator type and just manages the "team" part of the organization.. Maybe He'll learn a thing or 2 from Dorsey... Thats all we can really hope for...
 
For the pro-Sashi crowd:

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It's helpful to see it all collected there, but anyone who didn't have their head up their ass knew that Sashi deserves nothing but our praise & thanks.

He is by no means the talent evaluator that Dorsey is, but, just scroll up or tune in on Sundays to see the results of his work. Not to mention the state of the team handed to Dorsey. Its posture/disposition moving forward was unimaginably healthy. I'd go as far as to say irreproachable.

Sure he missed a few picks. Example 1A being CoCo. But there are guys around the league respected as talent evaluators who have missed just as badly. It happens even to the best.

My Cleveland Browns Front Office Soap Opera happy ending always involved a dope-ass corner office for Sashi Brown, brought back to the Browns to work again on contracts and as a liaison between DePodesta's crew & Dorsey's. There's no doubt in my mind Sashi would make a great facilitator of good communication across that area of the organization.

He's a savvy, intelligent dude. Doesn't get emotional, unfazed by adversity & conflict. I trust that, whatever he has moved on to, he's succeeding.
 
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