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I'm seriously digging Dorsey's approach so far

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/RamsNFL?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@RamsNFL</a>?<br>The <a href="https://twitter.com/Browns?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Browns</a>?<br><br>Who is the 2018 Offseason Champion? <a href="https://t.co/Uy8bw6Ni40">https://t.co/Uy8bw6Ni40</a> (via <a href="https://twitter.com/AroundTheNFL?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AroundTheNFL</a>) <a href="https://t.co/ByvVplkIkd">pic.twitter.com/ByvVplkIkd</a></p>— NFL (@NFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/NFL/status/1011942262216056832?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 27, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Rams did some fantastic work but the Browns combined elite signings with a volume of solid upgrades. I've yet to hear of a more profound offseason in this Millennium.
 
Rams did some fantastic work but the Browns combined elite signings with a volume of solid upgrades. I've yet to hear of a more profound offseason in this Millennium.

I think given the state of the organization the Browns claim the off-season title. For the first time in a long time I actually feel like we're making valuable change.
 
I'm pretty amazed at how quickly and completely Dorsey and Co. flipped the script, changed the narrative. All talk about the Browns is at worst positive and at best glowing. I'm not hearing any dead horse kicking.

It was so quick and seamless I almost didn't notice.
 
It was so quick and seamless I almost didn't notice.

Other than Friday, March 9th, 2018, when Dorsey got Jarvis. And then Tyrod. And then Damarious.

That was a glorious few hours. One of those times that has a chance to go down as "where were you when the Browns finally turned it around".

Smooth, I'll agree, but that night was a blast. Sports bar, wings,and Big John dealing like a pro.
 
I don't know why I keep seeing Peppers name thrown around like he's a superstar or something. He hasn't done anything. Nothing nadda zip.......

Peppers will rotate with Kindred. I think Gregg likes to rotate players. This year, for a change, he will have enough players to rotate in and out and keep his guys fresh.
 
I don't know why I keep seeing Peppers name thrown around like he's a superstar or something. He hasn't done anything. Nothing nadda zip.......

He's a first round pick entering his second year. Put the shoe on the other foot, give him a chance to grow. It was obvious to pretty much everyone he was out of position last year, I think he will have a much more productive season.
 
Safeties coach on CBD yesterday saying Peppers is already looking so much better at SS, but mentions the coaches love both Kindred and Peppers. They're very happy with those two. Super coachable and hardworking.

And they also love Damrious' cockiness and confidence.

This is a classic example of where PFF falls flat. They rank our secondary last in the league, despite the Browns being one of two teams with three DB's in their top 25 - but our starting safety grades blow from last year (Peppers and Randall) and they don't count Kindred's good grade as he wasn't an official starter.
 
He's a first round pick entering his second year. Put the shoe on the other foot, give him a chance to grow. It was obvious to pretty much everyone he was out of position last year, I think he will have a much more productive season.

Why was he out of position? Couldn't cover? Couldn't tackle? I was one of his biggest advocates when we drafted him. I'm disappointed. I hope he does turn it around. But I'm not ready to say he's anything but a jag until he proves it on the field.
 
That's fair but first round picks always get more rope than their peers, he will be given time to find his place in the D.

I have a hard time believing he was just so out of his element but it's entirely possible but yeah I wasn't a fan of his last season but you can't not consider that he was used strangely overall.
 
https://nflspinzone.com/2018/06/27/cleveland-browns-e-j-gaines-miffed/

Cleveland Browns: New cornerback miffed?
by Peter Smith19h ago

It seemed strange when the Cleveland Browns were able to sign three corners in free agency, but there may be a reason and it doesn’t make the team look great.

The Cleveland Browns have invested significant resources to their cornerback position in hopes of improving drastically from last year. That attempt included signing three free agents and drafting two players and while that all sounds good, there is reason to believe that at least one of those corners is experiencing some buyer’s remorse already.

Per a source with direct knowledge, cornerback E.J. Gaines feels misled by the Browns front office. He believes that he was essentially promised a starting job in order for him to sign and now finds himself in a three-way battle or a starting spot with the loser effectively languishing on the bench.

Gaines is a professional and isn’t going to allow this to impact his effort or attitude, but he may have a good reason to feel slighted. Some might argue that he should have seen the writing on the wall when he was the third free agent to sign in Cleveland after T.J. Carrie and Terrance Mitchell, but at the time, there were two starting jobs up for grabs and he was the most proven commodity of the three.

It wasn’t until the team used the fourth overall pick in the draft on Ohio State corner Denzel Ward that it became clear that things weren’t going to go as he was led to believe. Gaines could certainly beat out Carrie and Mitchell for a starting job that seems to be across from Ward, but the worry is that losing means not playing, save for dime reps or an injury and a season lost. And when he re-enters free agency next year, Gaines will have lost value in negotiating a contract when he was trying to build it up for a longer term contract. It’s understandably frustrating.

He believes and has the evidence to backup that he is a starting caliber corner. Certainly, the Browns don’t look great if they did indeed mislead a free agent to sign with their team and players talk. Agents also talk. If other players and agents believe what Gaines is saying that it could impact future negotiations.

It’s also possible that they may look at the situation and believe that both Gaines and his agent should have known better going in and opting to sign with Cleveland when there were other viable offers out there, albeit for less money.

This is also interesting in that there was reporting when Mychal Kendricks was signed that he would be a starter. It’s not clear as if that was simply a reporter reading the situation and projecting that Kendricks would start or if someone from the Kendricks camp was relaying something they were told by the Browns. Short of an injury or a move of some kind, Kendricks is likely to be a backup and package player.

This doesn’t look great for the Browns, but they do find themselves in a pretty good position to right the situation should they want. Beyond the supplemental draft in a few weeks, there are few options out there to improve a team’s roster at this point and there are a few corner needy teams.

The fact the Browns signed Gaines to a deal for a little under $3.9 million and almost $2.5 million of that is guaranteed is interesting. Using their cap room as a weapon here, the Browns could wait until July or even August when they’ve settled on the guy they want to start for their team and other teams get more desperate.

The Browns could opt to deal Gaines to a team for a draft pick or a player where he would likely become the starter either on the perimeter or the boundary, the Browns get a pick or player they can use, while also making things right (or righter anyway) for Gaines. The fact that the Browns would be eating so much of the money, leaving the team potentially trading for Gaines just getting him for $1.4 million for the season is a pretty good deal for the team getting him.

One of the teams that stands out in this situation may be a team the Browns have already dealt with once this offseason for a corner. The Arizona Cardinals have a stud in Patrick Peterson, but gave the Browns a sixth round pick in 2019 for Jamar Taylor, who for the moment, is projected to be the starter opposite him. Maybe the Cardinals go for a supplemental pick, but they could make a deal for Gaines, which was one of the teams that offered Gaines a deal before he signed with Cleveland.

The Cardinals could get the player they wanted in free agency for a smaller cost than they expected all for the cost of what might be as small as a player they weren’t all that attached too in the first place or another late round pick.

This would be an extremely smart and aggressive move by the Browns front office, using their cap space as a tool to allow them to add gain assets either in personnel or draft assets for cap space that was otherwise unused. It’s effectively what they did with the Brock Osweiler trade on a much smaller scale.

Gaines is not the only player that could fit this bill as both Carrie and Mitchell were signed to contracts with a bonus up front. It’s more likely that the team would move an unhappy Gaines, but they do have some options.

None of this is the end of the world for the Cleveland Browns or general manager John Dorsey, but for a team trying to build some credibility with talented free agents that can make an impact, it’s not a great look. Winning, success and opportunity will do more to help sell the Browns to potential free agents than anything, but players and agents want to be able to negotiate in good faith and no amount of ‘chiefs’ and ‘kemosabes’ will fix that.

With Gaines, it appears that didn’t happen. And while he’s not a player to create issues in the locker room over it, he’s the type of player the Browns want to do right by as they hope to attract other professional, talented football players focused on doing their job that can help their team.
 
I've been wondering about that, Pete Smith. The Browns certainly seem to have too many CBs who rightfully expect to be one of the three "starters": Ward, Carrie, Gaines, BBC, and Mitchell. I guarantee you all five of those guys went into the offseason expecting to be in somebody's top three, two outside CBs and one slot.

So two of them are gonna be less than happy. A fifth corner is usually someone like Simeon Thomas, a developmental guy with upside who plays mostly specials. It's not generally Gaines or Mitchell.

If the Browns turn Gaines into a 3rd round pick, like out of thin air, that's brilliant. And more proof that the weird assertions that our defensive backfield is thin are, well, weird.
 
Why was he out of position? Couldn't cover? Couldn't tackle? I was one of his biggest advocates when we drafted him. I'm disappointed. I hope he does turn it around. But I'm not ready to say he's anything but a jag until he proves it on the field.

Peppers played out of position because we didn't have a true FS. And the reason we didn't have a true FS was because Sashi decided we didn't need Tashaun Gipson. And then after the departure of Gipson, when Jordon Poyer was injured, he decided to get rid of Jordon Poyer too.

It was kind of like the way he decided that we didn't need Terrelle Pryor, Taylor Gabriel or Travis Benjamin since we had Britt, Louis and Higgins.

Any other questions?
 
Other than Pryor, Gabriel and Benji being average ok then.

Well, I may have not been completely fair with Britt. We all thought Britt would be at least average. But, seriously, were Britt, Louis and Higgins better? In a rebuilding job, the idea is to make the team better.

In too many cases, Sashi fell in love with his own picks and the bottom line is that he was too often wrong. There is no doubt that the reason he got rid of Haden was to make sure Jamar Taylor had a starting job. And the plain fact is that Jamar Taylor was never going to be the future at corner in Cleveland.

And then, of course, he limited the QB room to Kizer, Kessler and Hogan to make sure that Kizer was the starting quarterback. Unfortunately, Kizer wasn't ready to start, and the crying shame in that deal was that Kizer had talent and had he been given some time to develop he might have had a chance to succeed.

It was just one bad decision after another that made the team worse until ownership finally woke up to the fact that he was decimating the team and had to be removed.
 
All six of those guys you listed were average at best. That's being nice. Whether some were his guys or not. Sashi was not talent evaluator, but all GM's will get rid of guys to replace with their own.
 
All six of those guys you listed were average at best. That's being nice. Whether some were his guys or not. Sashi was not talent evaluator, but all GM's will get rid of guys to replace with their own.

So far, Dorsey hasn't--except to replace players with better players. We will see if that continues.

I don't mind Dorsey replacing any player on the roster with a better player.

But I hope he never reminds me of Sashi. Sashi made it obvious that he just wanted his own players regardless whether his player was better. Too often, they were not as good.
 
Peppers played out of position because we didn't have a true FS. And the reason we didn't have a true FS was because Sashi decided we didn't need Tashaun Gipson. And then after the departure of Gipson, when Jordon Poyer was injured, he decided to get rid of Jordon Poyer too.

It was kind of like the way he decided that we didn't need Terrelle Pryor, Taylor Gabriel or Travis Benjamin since we had Britt, Louis and Higgins.

Any other questions?

Yes. Do you think giblet was worthy of a first round pick? Right now, I would compare giblet with Gilbert. Jaydog pretty much summed it up. All those guys you mentioned were average at best.......
 
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