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It's time to turn the page and begin the hunt for a new QB. #Browns

Sorry player fans. It's time. Baker Mayfield is an average NFL QB, a future journeyman ...and it's time to look at our options. There are only two QBs in the NFL worse than Baker Mayfield in the 4th quarter. We routinely finish in the bottom half in almost every meaningful passing category. There is nothing at all special about him. I used to think he had an elite arm, but a lot of QBs can throw the ball hard. He can certainly throw it, but how well does he pass it really? High, hard, and behind. Rinse and repeat. A large percentage of his completions go that route as well. He has every single weakness he had coming out of college. Nothing at all has improved. In the NFL he isn't chucking up prayers to NFL caliber WRs being covered by guys who are now checking out your groceries. Baker Mayfield is the 4th best QB in the AFC North. Out of 4 teams.



Last place in the division. Most in here predicted outlandish success this season. 12 wins? 14? Maybe more. This blow-hard thought we would likely have less wins than last season, simply due to a historically easy schedule in 2020. The Browns just lost to a team with no kicker, and a fat QB who likely has lower back problems, and runs about as fast as an arthritic sloth. People are now starting to look for new excuses. The new coach is holding the team back. The WRs drop the ball too much. Mean fans are hurting Emily Mayfield's feelings and it's having an effect on Baker's play. The truth is, there's a bottleneck at the QB position. We have a Superbowl caliber roster, and a QB that is limiting what we can do with it. Baker Mayfield is the best QB we have had in twenty years ....and people are desperate to defend him. I get it.



Against the Steelers on Sunday we witnessed something we try really hard to ignore. Baker throwing high and hard the majority of the game. While throwing from the pocket, Baker not only can't see most of the field, but he throws his trademark bullets high enough to get over the defenders standing between he and his receiver. This just doesn't work, as the trajectory of these bullets leave them high and often behind his mark. A difficult ask of WRs, TEs, and RBs. You'll have player fans on twitter showing slow motion replays of a ball going through Hooper's hand, and calling anyone who dares criticize Baker a "mouth breather", but in reality Hooper was at the top of his jump, arms outstretched to the max, trying to reel in a high, hard, and behind football. Could have easily been a walk in touchdown instead... a bad pass. A QB could normally avoid this by putting some touch on the ball, a little arc, or air under it ....but Baker doesn't seem to have that gear.

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Mayfield throughout his entire career has made a cottage industry of rolling to his right. It seems to be the one thing he is great at. The problem is, when you are a one-trick pony, other teams game-plan to take that trick away from you. Baker has rolled right and attempted to pass a total of 6 times this year. Think about that in relation to each year prior. Teams have forced Baker into the pocket, the Steelers literally dared the Browns to pass practically the entire game. How is it working out?

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Fourth quarter, and another chance to win a game. Most of us knew what was going to happen didn't we? We have held onto hope, praying that the light would go on, that Baker would make wholesale changes, and he would become the Browns franchise QB ...someone we could count on to put the team on his back and lead us to victory with the game on the line. What we have got in reality is a QB that is 33 of 62, with 4 TDs and 5 INTS. Sam Darnold is the only QB as bad as Mayfield with the game on the line since 2018. Mayfield's passing rating with the game on the line is 61.3 and the Browns are 3-11 in these scenarios.

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Kevin Stefanski was hired to reign in Mayfield's erratic tendencies. Stefanski's offense tends to turn average QBs into statistical wonders, (Case Keenum) and perhaps limit some players at certain positions, like a downfield QB and burner WR for example. Some argue that Stefanski has taken Mayfield's gunslinger aura away from him, which while true is also the reason why Baker has become far less prone to interceptions. The dink and dunk offense with numerous screens and TE heavy route trees certainly makes a QB look good on paper at times ...but who is Baker Mayfield without the ability to roll out on play action and plant bombs down the field? Certainly these are often 50/50 bombs, but they do add to what an opposing defense has to worry about. Mayfield has 10 completions of 20 or more yards this season ...20th in the league. Recall Stefon Diggs having the same issue that OBJ is currently having in the Stefanski offense. He moved on to the Bills and is back to all-pro form. I suspect OBJ will do the same for some other team.

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In short, we have no vertical passing attack, while employing one of the very best WR tandems in the game, and one of the fastest WRs in the league in Schwartz. Did the Browns hire the right coach? If you believe analytics and going by the book is usually right, then yes. If you believe in coaches who base decisions on the ebb and flow of the game, their "gut" as it were, then no. We are the worst team in the league at going for it on 4th down. Analytics got us there.

We could have had Canton native and lifelong Browns fan Josh McDaniels.

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So where are we now? A Superbowl caliber roster, with an extremely limited QB, and a coach who can only go by the book, apparently not capable of harnessing whatever "elite" trait Mayfield may have, if he has one at all. Playoffs this season ...not likely. Our Superbowl window is open for only a short while ...without the Browns front office doing something extremely out of character (see, ballsy) like going after a Watson, Wilson, or Rogers ...I don't see us going anywhere.

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(yes another QB thread)
 
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oh hes gone.I just thought I'd be fun to see the drew brees comparisons now
when it all seems possible again.lifes ironic.he'll prolly win a SB in LA.LOL
it gets me thinking about OFF coaching and playcalling.what a difference that made huh?
so is KS as good as advertised? running dink and dunks.its boring AF.I dunno but a QB guru he is not.
notice when this OFF cant play underneath or run its in trouble?more vanilla please.yummy! :poop:
what if baker does become brees next year?playoffs? Is KS then on the hotseat?

 
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I thought Watson didn't play last year?
point is how is watson playing NOW? TODAY? DESHAUN WATSON 37.7 QBR ,2TD,3INT in 4 games!
Is he tanking? the time he has to find open receivers? he looks like he is not trying at all.Is he?
look when he says he loves cleveland and loves the fans.the guys a fake BS artist zero sincerity.
I DONT BELEIVE HIM.he does not want to play in cleveland.he just got the biggest deal he could get from team whoever (he didnt care) then If he hates it he can just tank and get moved while keeping the loot.why not?hes as cynical as they come If this is true.(which it Is) TRADE HIM! fraudster.
who wants to bet we hear trade rumours start in the offseason for DW? it will be his team leaking.
we know for a fact entire NFL teams tank,why not 1 player tanking for his interests? impossible?



Watson was traded to Cleveland after sitting out the entire 2021 season. Prior to the lost year, Watson finished as a top-five fantasy QB in three straight seasons and it could have been four if not for a torn ACL as a rookie in 2017. The dual-threat playmaker ranked no lower than sixth among QBs in rushing yards in each of his last three seasons, while adding 15 TDs with his legs along the way. Watson's passing ability showed continual improvement, as he paced the NFL in passing yards (4,823) and YPA (8.9), while posting 33 TDs and just 7 INTs in 2020. Amari Cooper aside, Watson doesn't have a standout group of targets in Cleveland, but the offensive line is outstanding and his rushing prowess supplies him with elite fantasy upside. Watson will be suspended for the first 11 games of the season, so he's only worth stashing in deep superflex leagues.-ESPN
WE PAYED FOR A TOP 3 FQB.WE GOT A BOTTOM 3 QB.

 
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he does not want to play in cleveland.he just got the biggest deal he could get from team whoever (he didnt care) then If he hates it he can just tank and get moved while keeping the loot.
"but then we'll trade him to detroit and he'll be unhappy there too,right?"
WRONG! no trade clause in his contract says he chooses where he goes now.
so theres a clever way to turn pure FA into where he gets the loot AND chooses where he plays
thats why he insisted on guaranteed $$.poor jimmy you're gettin played by a secret (NFL) agent/lawyer
remember he clearly said he did not want to come here..then he signed 24 hours later? no bueno
we upped the offer and he said yes.pure financial move 100%.it was the guaranteed $$ you see?

lets project those 4 games into a 16 game season.he wasnt half the price? but hes half as good now.
2022-8TD,12INT 2828 yards QBR 37.3, 57% comp,sacked 32 times. thats @worst in football QB #'s
2020-33TD,7INT,4823 yards QBR 63.7, 70.2% comp,sacked a stunning 49 times.(terrible O-line)
we are being made by this bastard I swear to dog.

 
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am I a crazy conspiracy theorist or what marty? does he seem natural out there to you?
No. . . he's at times showed a little of his old abilities, but for the most part, he's pretty much sucked. I expected him to come out this season with a sense of urgency to prove he was still a top 5 QB. But I don't see any sense of urgency on his part. And really, it doesn't much matter. He got PAID. He's the man next year no matter how bad he plays. But remember, he is Deshaun Fucking Watson and has excelled everywhere he's ever suited up. So it's far from over. Don't write him off. But also don't listen to these Watson apologists. He was here for off-season workouts, training camp, preseason. There's no excuse for him looking so rusty anymore, really, after game two, the rust excuse is gone.
 
remember he clearly said he did not want to come here..then he signed 24 hours later? no bueno
no one expected the 2020 all pro player type standard but dude..
you cant play like you did in high school! this decline in skill is unprecedented for a HOF QB.
HOF u say? 3 out of 4 seasons all pro? yeah,thats on track 100.sure fire for a QB in the hall.
what can we compare this to?who? what HOF QB was away near 1.5 seasons and sucked on return?
I thought initially mental health? but no,he seems stable as a table.so how?does a guy go from 100 to zero?
It just doesn't make sense
 
what can we compare this to?who? what HOF QB was away near 1.5 seasons
dan marino (achillies) brees(labrum) peyton(neck) brady(ACL)
all out only around 1 season but came back like HOF's after devastating injuries and a tough recovery
watsons been lazing around drinking mai-tai's by the pool and he cant perform now?
2 games to prove he belongs in cleveland. #NotForLong
 
It was a really strange showing by watson.yeah he made some power throws perfect in the numbers
then he throws a 6 yard pass right into the ground?then another.then another.I was WTF?
some passes looked all pro and some were..I mean I could throw a better screen than that.
no Im not SERIOUSLY saying he took a dive Im just sayin it bloody looks that way how he played-the hayman
from the game 11 thread.^
but seriously, we will and really have no choice in giving DW a "clean" season and a shot at '23
I would like to go on record and say we miss the playoffs with DW next year.
 
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