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Manziel throws Browns under the bus

Chuck Brown

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I mean I started a thread a month wishing the guy well with dealing with bipolar disorder. Then I came across this. He's pretty much admitting he's wasted a lot of talent but he's also throwing the Browns under the bus when he's saying they should of known better.

He may be trying to be painfully honest, he's just not very smart about it.
 
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More like "Fuckwad" confirms he was out of his element like many of us believed him to be at the time.

Put it this way. It was so bad, the Browns didn't even *want to try to coach him*. I think you could use this if you were desperate to try and paint Mr. Manziel in a positive light, or just wanted to have a laugh at the Browns.

May have been a case of what could have been but he did it to himself.
 
If your qb is lazy you should get him in the filmroom and teach him how to be a pro like McCown did.
Wasnt there a qb coach in the building?

Apparently not. This is his answer to the mulligan question.

“If you would give me the mulligan, the mulligan would have had to come right after I got drafted,” he said. “I see successful guys in the NFL, and what they do in the offseason, and the time that they put in, that makes them good players. Yes, they’re athletically gifted, but guys are good in the NFL because they know film, they study hard, and they work even harder in the offseason. I didn’t know that.

“And I feel like … if Cleveland did any of their homework, they would have known that I was a guy that didn’t come in every day and watch film, I was a guy that didn’t really know the Xs and Os of football. I played in a spread offense. We looked at bubbles, we looked at flats, we had progression reads across the field; it wasn’t like it was a super-intricate pro system. So when I get to Cleveland, there’s a quarterback in the room with me that’s not helping me [presumably Brian Hoyer, who started 13 games that season]. And it’s not really his job to, but nobody was there really helping me go over the Xs and Os and it was hard. I struggled.

“And then getting on the practice field, I lost a lot of confidence after my first couple days there. This was the first time in my life, at least (since) my freshman year of high school, that I wasn’t playing really well, that I didn’t come out the first day and throw the ball around and make a lot of completions and score touchdowns and everything – I struggled.

“And from there, that’s when the depression started to come, that’s when some things mental health-wise started to really change what was going on in my life, but I would go back to after the draft and getting with someone, or putting in extra time, or whatever it was, to make sure that I really, genuinely understood what was going on. There was a lot of winging it and not a lot of knowing exactly what I was doing because it was a hard transition for me. I didn’t know everything.

“The next year, when I got with Josh McCown, that guy was like, ‘listen: if you want to, you can come with me everyday. You can get here when I get here, you can leave when I leave, if you want to be good, just follow what I’m doing. I’ve been doing this for a long time, and there’s a reason that I’m still in the league this long down the road.’ Me and him got along great.”

Patrick interjected, “He’s a good dude. He really is,” speaking of McCown.

“He’s awesome,” Manziel said enthusiastically. “He gave me a blueprint, and that’s something that I still have to this day: he gave me a nice blueprint of what it takes to be a solid pro, and I’m very thankful to Josh and all that he did for me in Cleveland.”

Like he said, he didn't know. How could anyone expect him to know? He was a undergraduate with two years in a spread offense, and nobody bothered to tell him--not until his second year when Josh McCown took pity on him.

If Manziel had had McCown his first year, he might have had a chance to develop into a pro. Instead, he was left to flounder, and flounder he did.

He might have failed anyway.
 
I mean, he's not wrong... but if he knew that about himself... well...

I believe the idea is that he didn't know then what he knows now.

I believe what he is saying is that if he had the mulligan he would do things differently based on what he knows now. The reason he didn't do it differently back then was that he didn't know.

Make sense?
 
Apparently not. This is his answer to the mulligan question.



Like he said, he didn't know. How could anyone expect him to know? He was a undergraduate with two years in a spread offense, and nobody bothered to tell him--not until his second year when Josh McCown took pity on him.

If Manziel had had McCown his first year, he might have had a chance to develop into a pro. Instead, he was left to flounder, and flounder he did.

He might have failed anyway.

Dude really, just another Victim loaded with excuses, how many other guys come into the NFL and do what they have to. Call it what it is, ignorance. This isn’t a question of who should of showed him, it’s more of a how in the hell didn’t he know or even ask.

And lets be honest, how bad of a look is this for a guy trying to get a job. This is idiot 101, tell all You’re good to go while blaming past failures on everyone else. Ha, I’ve been laughing since I heard this yesterday, guy can’t help himself. He’s that self absorbed and arrogant that he still feels he can con his way back in the NFL.

He wrecked this league all right, what a douche.
 
Here is the other side, by the way.

Brian Hoyer admitted Johnny Manziel-mania took a toll on his performance and psyche in 2014. He's also not surprised that his hometown team has won only four games since he was benched that year.

"I wasn't unaware (that the front office wanted Manziel to start),'' Hoyer told cleveland.com at the Super Bowl. "It's hard enough to win a game in this league when you have the full support of everybody, so when there's that dissent in the building, it trickles down and not only just me, but others guys on the team saying 'what's the deal, what's going to happen?'''

He acknowledged that "once that starts happening, it's hard to keep things together, so you deal with it the best you can. But you're also human, so you're going out there trying to perform to save your job.''

Hoyer succumbed to the pressure after a last-second victory in Atlanta, one in which he threw three interceptions -- including two on miscommunications with Josh Gordon. He was distraught in the locker room. Members of the coaching staff and front office took notice. He was benched for good two games later.

It appears that both consider themselves the victims of the Browns meat grinder.
 
Classic addict. Says mostly the right things and does mostly the wrong things.

You can make history different by repeating some new version of the truth.

The fact is his second year with McCown showing him the ropes he was getting trashed the night before games or by some reports right before games. I doubt much film was watched as he was pulling disappearing acts which caused huge concern. So the first year no one showed him the ropes and the second year someone did and he mostly didn't follow them.

I was unaware that the Jets and Buffalo worked him out last off season as well as Hamilton in the CFL. Interesting enough Hamilton would not offer him a contract (risking losing their rights to him) and the CFL commissioner in the end would not allow a team to sign him based on Hamilton's medical tests. Hamilton ultimately lost his rights.

So he is open to playing in the CFL this coming season as the commissioner is allowing a team to sign him for 2018. I think that is his last option if he can pass a medical test. Kind of eye opening. They know what they were looking at..

BTW Hoyer sounds like a douche too. When you make millions even as a backup QB you should have the pro mentality to elevate teammates. I think Hoyer has been toxic every stop he's made except NE where Brady elevated him. Hoyer never paid it forward.
 
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I'll just say this.. Most kids.. By the time they're 15 years old.. Knows right from wrong and also has a grasp of common sense by then. (one hopes).. Johnny can shove his motherfucking excuses up his fruit cake ass!!
 
I'll just say this.. Most kids.. By the time they're 15 years old.. Knows right from wrong and also has a grasp of common sense by then. (one hopes).. Johnny can shove his motherfucking excuses up his fruit cake ass!!

Perhaps we could use ourselves as examples for how a kid that age should be expected to act when their not being given any direction. Where were the adults?
 
Perhaps we could use ourselves as examples for how a kid that age should be expected to act when their not being given any direction. Where were the adults?

Sorry dude...I know plenty of people without adult leadership (or with the wrong kind) that do the right things. You may not be able to control what life gives you, but you certainly have control over how you respond to it. Manziel had his parents saying on a weekly basis that he was an alcoholic and needed help...so it is on him that he ignored that advice. He had coaches trying to clean him up. He ignored them. He had the NFL support system. He didn't use it.
 
Perhaps we could use ourselves as examples for how a kid that age should be expected to act when their not being given any direction. Where were the adults?

No, doesn't work like that, not to mention not a kid either. Just more layers of excuses and enabling that will keep this inconsistent behavior going. Enabling is probably his biggest enemy.
 
The thing Browns fans can't duck from is the fact that the Browns DIDN'T do their homework and drafted him. Maybe that should be insight into all the other poor draft choices and good players they passed over.

It sounds to me that the truth hurts some of you more than one would expect. The Browns record alone shows their dysfunction throughout the pro process. I can't help going back to that childlike saying, "If it walks, sounds, and looks like a duck, well then it is a duck."

Sorry, I know the truth can hurt, but it can also set you free and make you better. I think embracing it would be more productive than ducking it by throwing it back in someone's face.

That's all in the past now, anyway. There is a new day dawning for Browns and their fans.
 
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