Manziel throws Browns under the bus

[hh22OO]

The first step to recovery is "ACCOUNTABILITY"...

No, it's not.

if Cleveland did any of their homework, they would have known that I was a guy that didn’t come in every day and watch film, I was a guy that didn’t really know the Xs and Os of football.

Like everyone else in the league, "Cleveland" knew this... but the owner stepped in. As to learning, there were coaches available had he admitted he didn't know what he was doing. He's not the first QB to come into the league like that.

ha, we’re the victims, they at least got paid.

This.

BTW Hoyer sounds like a douche too. When you make millions even as a backup QB you should have the pro mentality to elevate teammates.

He is kind of a b!tch, but he learned to not help others from the GOAT.

I'll just say this.. Most kids.. By the time they're 15 years old.. Knows right from wrong and also has a grasp of common sense by then. (one hopes)...

Correct, but I've had to teach right/wrong to a lot of alcoholic/addicts in the 22 years I've worked with them. Excuses not one of their wrongdoings, but that's been my experience.


JFF still isn't perfect. Shocker. He'd do best for himself and by everyone else if he focused on what's on his side of the street and leave the finger pointing to others. His biggest enemy at this point is himself, his bigger challenge is staying on his meds.

 

[Flailing on Empty]

Self serving, self promoting, selfish player still saying it's not his fault (or not entirely his fault), shocker. That kid will never grow up, he talks a big game like he's "finally getting help" and whatnot, but the microphone goes on in front of him and suddenly it's back to "woe is me, I got drafted by the Browns". Grow up, kid. If he were drafted in the top 10, easily the biggest bust in draft history.

 

[Masters]

The thing Browns fans can't duck from is the fact that the Browns DIDN'T do their homework and drafted him. Maybe that should be insight into all the other poor draft choices and good players they passed over.

It sounds to me that the truth hurts some of you more than one would expect. The Browns record alone shows their dysfunction throughout the pro process. I can't help going back to that childlike saying, "If it walks, sounds, and looks like a duck, well then it is a duck."

Sorry, I know the truth can hurt, but it can also set you free and make you better. I think embracing it would be more productive than ducking it by throwing it back in someone's face.

That's all in the past now, anyway. There is a new day dawning for Browns and their fans.

I think everyone long ago figured out Farmer was a dipshit and couldn't draft. Heck, that was clear to some the day he turned in a 1st round draft card with Manziels name on it

 

[Brownsfan]

The thing Browns fans can't duck from is the fact that the Browns DIDN'T do their homework and drafted him. Maybe that should be insight into all the other poor draft choices and good players they passed over.

It sounds to me that the truth hurts some of you more than one would expect. The Browns record alone shows their dysfunction throughout the pro process. I can't help going back to that childlike saying, "If it walks, sounds, and looks like a duck, well then it is a duck."

Sorry, I know the truth can hurt, but it can also set you free and make you better. I think embracing it would be more productive than ducking it by throwing it back in someone's face.

That's all in the past now, anyway. There is a new day dawning for Browns and their fans.

That was said incredibly well in my opinion. I would have said it that well myself if I had had the words to say it that well.

But, as you said, there is a new day dawning. And thank God it is a new day with people in charge that actually know what they are doing. Nobody knows what Manziel would have done with proper guidance; we do know what happened when he didn't have it. People can blame the kid if they want. I blame the people in charge.

In my opinion, they did both Hoyer and Manziel a disservice. Announcing during training camp that "Hoyer was ahead of Manziel" and acting as if there was a actual competition was a disservice to Hoyer. It put pressure on him that he didn't need. And ignoring the development of a rookie that didn't have a clue after training camp while pretending he had been given a chance to compete was a disservice to the rookie.

But thankfully that is all in the past now. Not only do we have people in charge that know what they are doing, for the first time in forever, we actually know who our starting quarterback will be this year; nobody is pretending that there will be a competition. There is no competition and no question; Tyrod Taylor is the Browns quarterback, period.

And, in addition, we will now have a chance to see how a quarterback is brought along and developed the right way. (And, yes, I really do believe that.)

This is a great time to be a Browns fan.

 

[nickers]

No, it's not.


Like everyone else in the league, "Cleveland" knew this... but the owner stepped in. As to learning, there were coaches available had he admitted he didn't know what he was doing. He's not the first QB to come into the league like that.


This.


He is kind of a b!tch, but he learned to not help others from the GOAT.


Correct, but I've had to teach right/wrong to a lot of alcoholic/addicts in the 22 years I've worked with them. Excuses not one of their wrongdoings, but that's been my experience.


JFF still isn't perfect. Shocker. He'd do best for himself and by everyone else if he focused on what's on his side of the street and leave the finger pointing to others. His biggest enemy at this point is himself, his bigger challenge is staying on his meds.

Accountability is EVERYTHING!!!.. I have been to rehab.. its a crock of shit.. I don't care what you or anyone says.. You'll never quit until you decide to do it.. cut and dry... I have been around addicts my entire life.. so save your ."I have worked with".. I couldnt give 2 shits.. I know what works.. And what does NOT work!.

 

[Lou Groza]

Accountability is EVERYTHING!!!.. I have been to rehab.. its a crock of shit.. I don't care what you or anyone says.. You'll never quit until you decide to do it.. cut and dry... I have been around addicts my entire life.. so save your ."I have worked with".. I couldnt give 2 shits.. I know what works.. And what does NOT work!.

Big Congrats to you Nickers... for God damn MAKING IT work.

HUGE!
HUGE.

keep THE FIGHT in you Everyday & never forget where you'd been
....I love you Brother

 

[Lou Groza]

It appears that both consider themselves the victims of the Browns meat grinder.
ha, we’re the victims, they at least got paid.

Are you NOT entertained? :doh: :grumpy: :hi:bugeyes :suicide: :drum: :woohoo:crossfingers

 

[Lou Groza]

Perhaps we could use ourselves as examples for how a kid that age should be expected to act when their not being given any direction. Where were the adults?

No No No.... there's no excuses for a Fuckwad. None.
Where do you come off with this shit - this take? U been tokin' .....again?!

The only difference between "kids" and adults is hormonal chemical balance & experience. That's it. One either learns.... or he DOESN'T.

And if a guy comes out FRUITCAKE in'it like a shit show LIKE NEVER BEFORE,

the only place for that fucker is the CURB
....and U make him bite it
and STOMP his fucking cranial .........seriously.

 

[Kegeratorz]

Are you NOT entertained? :doh: :grumpy: :hi:bugeyes :suicide: :drum: :woohoo:crossfingers

Sometimes, like when Hue can't find the challenge flag on a non challenge able play.

 

[twizbuck]

Forum is hostile this time of year.

 

[ChowMeinChad]

It appears that both consider themselves the victims of the Browns meat grinder.

Of the 8 NFL teams Hoyer has been on, 3 he was anointed the starter. All 3 he imploded in that role. Seems like this issue might be his mental toughness. I'm sure he's worked with a sports psychologist as most these guys do. But it has yet to show if he does. Hoyer's issue was not Manziel nor was it Ryan Mallett or even the Cleveland meat grinder. Hoyer's issue is his ability to preform at a high level when his back is against the wall. Mental toughness. The GOAT cannot teach that.

 

[Lou Groza]

Chowie,

you're really critical of Brian of Ignatius.
He is what he IS.... Wtf?

He can get some wins for half a season... and things change. A 'mental case' is merely ONE scapegoat. Defenses adjust pretty damn well after they have 2-3-4 game tapes on a GUY WHO IS WHAT IS [and is no more]. I think he's a bit of a divisive guy, no a mature NO NONSENSE guy and he's ended up splitting the locker room in a few places... Veterans v. youngins.... and the ship sinks

when there's a QB controversy involving Hoyer, I think at several (maybe all) stops, the veteran mature leadership backs Brian and the youngin's who can't easily relate to Hoyer & feel in his doghouse... they back the younger guy... and the lockerroom gets divided.

 

[Lou Groza]

Forum is hostile this time of year.

When's the fucking DRAFT!! U kno....

Who...What.... fuckin' ASSHOLE moved the Draft back a month?

That fucker's giving us all Blueballs

 

[Brownsfan]

Of the 8 NFL teams Hoyer has been on, 3 he was anointed the starter. All 3 he imploded in that role. Seems like this issue might be his mental toughness. I'm sure he's worked with a sports psychologist as most these guys do. But it has yet to show if he does. Hoyer's issue was not Manziel nor was it Ryan Mallett or even the Cleveland meat grinder. Hoyer's issue is his ability to preform at a high level when his back is against the wall. Mental toughness. The GOAT cannot teach that.

Except for a brief period in 2014 when he presided over a 6-3 and then 7-4 record, I have hardly been a Hoyer fan. And considering Hoyer's basic lack of success in subsequent situation in which he was actually give the reins, I agree that he is probably a rather bad example on which to argue the point.

However, the idea that quarterbacks need competition to be their best is not something I accept. Terry Bradshaw, for example, has written: "When I got the confidence from that man (Coach Chuck Noll) was when I became a pro quarterback. Prior to that, I wasn’t making any progress. I knew that when I made mistakes, I was going to be benched. But when he said 'Go make your mistakes, we’re going to win with you, that’s when I became a quarterback."

Maybe Hoyer would have failed as a starter in Cleveland regardless as he did subsequently in Houston, Chicago and San Francisco, but I still think the Browns did him a disservice with the competition with Manziel and holding over his head the threat of being benched when he hit a dry spell. There is no way that Manziel was qualified to run the offense and no way that there should have been a competition in the first place.

In my opinion, Hoyer did a heck of a lot more to throw the Browns under the bus that Manziel. Basically, all Manziel did was to suggest that the Browns failed to do their homework and determine what would be needed to develop him into an NFL quarterback. Hoyer, on the other indicated that he was not surprised the browns had won but 4 games after they benched him in 2014 and correctly indicated that it was a result of dysfunction.

And I think he was justified in his criticism.

It is hard to realize just how bad we really have been. Thankfully, we suddenly have a front office and coaching staff that may be the equal of any team in the league. And we have a plan.

 

[Kegeratorz]

In my opinion, Hoyer did a heck of a lot more to throw the Browns under the bus that Manziel. Basically, all Manziel did was to suggest that they had failed to do their homework and determine what would be needed to develop him into an NFL quarterback. Hoyer, on the other had indicated that he was not surprised the browns had not won but 4 games after they benched him in 2014 and correctly indicated that it was a result of dysfunction.

Not sure it matters who did worse at this point.

 

[Lou Groza]

Hoyer, on the other indicated that he was not surprised the browns had won but 4 games after they benched him in 2014 and correctly indicated that it was a result of dysfunction.

IS THIS even True??????????

.....and I'm STILL a FAN?

.....hangin on every pass, every rush?

Pinch me. Fuck

 

[Brownsfan]

Chowie,

you're really critical of Brian of Ignatius.
He is what he IS.... Wtf?

He can get some wins for half a season... and things change. A 'mental case' is merely ONE scapegoat. Defenses adjust pretty damn well after they have 2-3-4 game tapes on a GUY WHO IS WHAT IS [and is no more]. I think he's a bit of a divisive guy and he's ended up splitting the locker room in a few places... Veterans v. youngins.... and the ship sinks

Blame whoever you wish. I blame the coaches. Look, Manziel says that Hoyer didn't help him but also correctly noted that it wasn't Hoyer's job. Hoyer says that Manziel was quiet and polite, so good in the building. I never thought 'this kid's a troublemaker.''' It was the coaching staff that, as Hoyer said, billed the so call competition between the two of them as a legitimate quarterback competition when Manziel clearly wasn't ready. "They put him in a bad situation from the get-go. It was a train that couldn't be stopped.''

 

[Brownsfan]

IS THIS even True??????????

.....and I'm STILL a FAN?

.....hangin on every pass, every rush?

Pinch me. Fuck

According to Mary Kay, he said he's 'not surprised' the Browns have gone 4-47 since they benched him. And this is his explanation:

"You fire another coach, you bring in how many different quarterbacks, you let Joe Haden go while you're paying Brock Osweiler how much money? I saw Joe before we played (the Steelers). He wasn't playing that week and it was like we escaped a trap. I remember him saying "I'm going to the playoffs.''

You be the judge. Is the above roughly the equivalent of saying the Browns have been dysfunctional?

(By the way, good for Joe.)

 

[Lou Groza]

Blame whoever you wish. I blame the coaches. Look, Manziel says that Hoyer didn't help him but also correctly noted that it wasn't Hoyer's job. Hoyer says that Manziel was quiet and polite, so good in the building. I never thought 'this kid's a troublemaker.''' It was the coaching staff that, as Hoyer said, billed the so call competition between the two of them as a legitimate quarterback competition when Manziel clearly wasn't ready. "They put him in a bad situation from the get-go. It was a train that couldn't be stopped.''

Look, Pettine can't have blame for not giving Johnboy a shot. He gave Johnny many many shots.
You know Johnny. U don't think his persona had much to do with the cold/standoffish treatment Pettine gave him - from Training Camp?! Johnboy just came in there humble, sweet?

No - you should know damn well that Swan came in all confident, so Pet was all SHOW ME... I'll open it up bigboy, QB Competition. Who's to say it didn't come from the top, who would've wanted about all the media swarming and fanfare facilities can bare, and then SOME MORE! Attention & Scrutiny had never ever ever been a prob to Johnny as far as rubbing his fingers could make his wishes come true.

But when the Genie stayed in the jar, well how he handled himself was what - controlled or incredibly manipulated by WHO... Pettine? I mean just make sense of this position of yours, please, because it seems the harder U try the worse it gets.

U're THAT GUY that tries protecting Idiots who fuck themselves? Unrepentedly???
JOHNNY doesn't DESERVE everything e-v-eryTHANG dat came his way?

U prolly think he's Bi-Po TOO! Nah - he's fuckin playing a game.

He can take his "Bi-polar" to the Pole
GTFO here w/ that


How long did it take Ryan Leaf to develop any sanity?
The "medical tests" Hamilton of CFL administered where he FAILED were undoubtedly drug tests... Has Johnny even developed ANY SobriEty? efff sanity... hell

 

[Brownsfan]

Look, Pettine can't have blame for not giving Johnboy a shot. He gave Johnny many many shots.

My contention is that any shot Pettine gave Manziel was a false shot since Manziel was not ready for a shot. It is like this, assume you are still in high school and you are given a shot to win the heart of the prettiest girl in your class. With your degree of charm, no matter how many shots you are given, you will, without doubt, be going home alone. (Note, this was just a joke for illustration purposes, no offense is intended.)

Same with Manziel's chances for starting in Cleveland.

Manziel didn't know the offense and never acquired the skills needed to run an NFL offense. As he, himself, admitted, he was just winging it, so it doesn't matter how many shots Pettine gave him, they were all false shots and the only effect they had was to reduce Hoyer's chances for success.