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Please dissect the article I posted breaking down the film PGL, and discredit it.

Not a chirp from the Manzealots about it, and I would love to see a rebuttal.

Frankly, I saw nothing in it that was arguable.

As far as Lane goes ...him revealing his real name would reveal his sources? Nonsense unless he works for the Browns.

He could be a former Browns players, as I get PMs from them from time to time regarding stuff, but still not sure how that would reveal his sources. Seems silly.
 
Please dissect the article I posted breaking down the film PGL, and discredit it.

Not a chirp from the Manzealots about it, and I would love to see a rebuttal.

Frankly, I saw nothing in it that was arguable.

As far as Lane goes ...him revealing his real name would reveal his sources? Nonsense unless he works for the Browns.

He could be a former Browns players, as I get PMs from them from time to time regarding stuff, but still not sure how that would reveal his sources. Seems silly.

That article is pretty scathing. While I think you can debate some of the takes, the overall evaluation isn't very pretty.

While its completely not fair, I caught myself picturing Tom Brady picking apart the Bengals on many of the plays that were dissected. Just carving them up. Ball out quickly, burning the blitz, hitting Barnidge on the seam route in the red zone, and Benji probably ending up with 120 yards receiving.

Sure, that's Tom Brady. But considering the production in the passing game we've seen this year; its hard to completely condemn the supporting 10. There are some guys there that can play.

I hope Johnny's watching that film, studying that tape, and improving. He's got to as the athleticism stuff isn't enough to earn him a starting job here or anywhere else.
 
I'll elaborate on that.

Also, Ill point out, this is just my assumption. I think Lane hangs around the building alot, has a press pass, talks to players, coaches, front office, and officials in and out of the building. I think all those people know him by his real name, and have no idea he is Lane Adkins. People in the building all see who talks to who, and can hear sometimes what is said. Therefore, if they know who Lane Adkins really is, then they know who he is talking to and what type of info may be getting out. He is a mole himself, talking to other moles essentially. Thats my take on it.


To answer the other question..

The article that was posted didnt say anything BDU didnt say. BDU posted a whole article showing all the easy passes Manziel missed. Although BDU spun it in a positive light showing that the majority of those passes were check downs and/or routes that the play was not designed to go to.

BDU said it was a positive that the only passes he missed were checkdowns or late progressions, and thats easy to correct/fix.

Add into the equation what Johnny said in his interview about him almost purposely NOT looking in the direction of those receivers due to the tendencies of the defense, it all makes sense.

Does Johnny need to NOT do that and treat every play individually? Yes.

Does Johnny need to take the checkdowns when they are there, instead of holding out for the Big Play all the time? Yes

Are those 2 things easily correctable?

Yes

Is that second thing even always a negative? NO..

Actually if Johnny were to just take what the defense gives him all the time, and not do what he does, we wouldve never seenthat Benjamin TD that won us the Titans game..

So really, its a give/take scenario

Which is kind of what makes Johnny so fun in the first place
 
Thing is, that article points out far more than check downs. We are talking bailing on primary reads, and what the book has always been on Manziel, he only sees one side of the field. As far as the "mole" situation ....far fetched. Anyone with media credentials has been vetted thoroughly by the organization.

Good response PGL, I knew you would provide one. :clap2:​
 
More #MoveOnFromManziel #McCownToBridgeToTheDraft #PathToPaxton #LoseForLynch talk

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Browns?src=hash">#Browns</a> can't count on Johnny Manziel as their franchise QB -- on or off the field -- and need to draft one high <a href="https://t.co/QrwoK9yHDc">https://t.co/QrwoK9yHDc</a></p>— Mary Kay Cabot (@MaryKayCabot) <a href="https://twitter.com/MaryKayCabot/status/664840975555149824">November 12, 2015</a></blockquote>
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If there's any credence to the author's analysis or BDU's analysis (which I'm still pissed I missed!), then you can't just say he missed checkdowns.

There was no trap corner threat on many of those plays. Sure, the corner closest may have been the "trap" corner, but a 5 yard gain on 2nd and 7 (or whatever) is positive. Again, think of all those crappy little short passes that Brady and Manning (a couple years ago) make every week, week in and week out.

Looks like he missed a bunch of opportunities and that's certainly the rhetorical tone coming from Pettine from his halftime interview forward.

Bottom line: what does it all mean? Leaving out the (strong?) potential for disfunction and illogic for a second, you must assume Manziel still hasn't grasped much of the foundational, baseline philosophy to play in the NFL. The question is: How likely is he and from a business/team perspective is there a positive cost/benefit for us to develop him? If the likelihood is low the cost/benefit equation is going to look pretty dark. If higher, it will look much better.

I think the odds are pretty high that he'll get a lot more playing time before the year is over. At a minimum, I want the team to know enough, if they don't already, to make an informed decision. Better yet I'd like us as fans to see enough to draw our own, amateur, decisions. :)

Now, if it turns out our coaching staff and/or GM is incompetent none of this really matters. I know many are fixated here.
 
For whatever reason, they sure seem like they've moved on. Maybe keep him around as a back-up, but QBOTF, let alone the present, seems to be a very long shot in their eyes.

No offense to anyone here, but I'm glad after 10 years I let my season tickets go. I'd be kind of upset.
 
PGL, Lane Adkins doesn't come across as credible. He could be the original Redwood from the movie or a geek squad member with a computer and a logic & critical reasoning textbook. Take away the internet, and he's nonexistent or the guy at the bar pumping up his team.

Recon, yes a QB is probably in the plans. Cardale is still ranked pretty high by the guru's out there. And, CLE has shown its inability to develop non-major conference draftee's. The Memphis-Houston game will be a huge indicator of whether Lynch should be given further consideration.
 
Lane is often the softer version of Incarcerated Bob. He's just better at picking his words.

Bob will loudly Tweet - "Chip Kelly to the Browns!! 75%!! Book it!!"
Lane will blog/post - "I've been told the Kelly talks are real, but nothing is done until the pen hits the paper"

There's really only a style difference there.
 
Old, banged up, and functional - yep, he'll likely start.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pettine said McCown "sore but functional" in practice yesterday. McCown will be limited today. Pettine expects to know starter end of day</p>— Jeff Schudel (@jsproinsider) <a href="https://twitter.com/jsproinsider/status/664857303850614784">November 12, 2015</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script><blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Translation: Does not want to play Johnny if he doesn't have to <a href="https://t.co/TZGhasiNft">https://t.co/TZGhasiNft</a></p>— Daryl Ruiter (@RuiterWrongFAN) <a href="https://twitter.com/RuiterWrongFAN/status/664857763349192704">November 12, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Please dissect the article I posted breaking down the film PGL, and discredit it.

Not a chirp from the Manzealots about it, and I would love to see a rebuttal.

Frankly, I saw nothing in it that was arguable.

As far as Lane goes ...him revealing his real name would reveal his sources? Nonsense unless he works for the Browns.

He could be a former Browns players, as I get PMs from them from time to time regarding stuff, but still not sure how that would reveal his sources. Seems silly.

I'll bite...

The author types, "By the end of the game it didn't look like any of his receivers were still running their routes as hard as they had been. Probably because at that point they were no longer expecting him to actually sit in the pocket and go through his reads which made their crisp routes null and void." Well, that certainly sounds like conditions conducive to fostering good quarterback play. QB struggles? To hell with him, let's dog our routes.

He adds, "I know Manziel fans will scream about drops, but there were basically two drops, both by Browns wide receiver Taylor Gabriel. Manziel was 17-of-33 passing, a completion percentage of 45.5 percent for 168 yards and one touchdown throwing the football. Give him two more completions and let's say, 30 more yards, and you you still have less than 200 yards passing off 33 passes and a completion percentage just over 51 percent. You can even add in his 31 rushing yards on four carries, but this still would be, at best, mediocre production, no?" Again, excuse away any drops and arbitrarily add two completions for 15 yards (nevermind that one of Gabriel's drops would have been a TD). I'll take the author up on his exercise and add two completions for 30 yards along with the 31 rushing yards that he is so graciously gifting Manziel. I'll also add in the TD for context. Viola...we come to a QBR of 94. Mediocre? I'll take that every Sunday and twice on Thursday from my 22 year old QB with receivers dogging routes. So, pardon me for laughing at the author's suggestion that there is no statistical argument for Manziel.

Lets move on, shall we?

2-7 Cle 23 (14:24)- Author sees an 8 yard gain to Duke. I see a zone with an LB read to pounce on a throw to Duke in the flat until the pocket broke down, flushing Johnny to the right.

3-7 Cle 23 (14:16)- Author believes that Johnny should've thrown the ball earlier than he did. 22 year old takes time to diagnose blitz..NEWS AT 11. End result, first down pass play. Nice job, Johnny.

3-13 Cle 29 (12.37)- Author admonishes Johnny for missing Duke and he is correct. However, Johnny extends the play and throws a beautiful ball to what appeared to be an open Benjamin, on the run. Was it the best option? No, but it was a nice throw to an open receiver that put him in a position to make a play.

2-10 Cle 20 (3:13)- Author claims that Johnny should have thrown the ball to Duke nearing the right hash and approaching the 30 yard line. However, there is a Bengal sitting right between the hashes just prior to Duke's vertical positioning. That sounds like a ripe opportunity for an interception if read correctly by the Bengal. Johnny does not throw the pass, he rolls steps UP and out of the pocket and throws the ball when Duke is uncovered, for a 25 yard gain. Great job, Johnny.

3-5 Cin 12 (:27)- The author maintains that Johnny's TD pass to Duke was, in fact, a poor play of compounded difficulty after Johnny missed a "wide ass open" Barnidge. I'd like to know on what planet Barnidge appears to be "wide ass open." I see Barnidge covered underneath and to the inside (nickel's position cutting down angles) but breaking down the field and on his way to becoming open. A difficult throw to Barnidge amounts to a touchdown but lets not pretend that Barnidge could've camped out and Johnny didn't see him. Johnny does see Duke beginning to make himself open, extends the play, and throws a touchdown pass.

3-12 Cle 10 (9:51)- Travis Benjamin does not run himself open until the pocket has collapsed, Johnny has stepped up, and he notices a good amount of daylight in front of him. I'd actually argue that the better and safer play would have been the dump-off pass out of the backfield but none-the-less, Manziel put the team in a position to convert a 3rd down (short by a few feet). Could Manziel have made an incredible play by avoiding the rush, scampering up to the line, and unleashing a 35 yard pass upfield to Benjamin? Yes, in an ideal world and hopefully after gaining more experience. The irony is that Manziel's physical gifts are what even gives him the possibility of making such a play possible, as the Manning's/Brady's/Brees' would not have had the elusiveness to evade the rush and extend the play up the middle.

3-4 Cle 26 (3:14)- Poor read and dangerous throw. The throw itself was rather impressive, with regards to velocity and placement, but there was an open receiver. That being said, we don't know who the primary read happened to be and again, I'd expect a 22 year old to build confidence in the face of a blitz as his level of experience grows.

"Too late"- The author lambastes Manziel for missing what he argues are two open receivers, instead throwing an incomplete pass. In fact, Manziel is on the run with an uncovered Bengals rushing towards him, Barnidge in position to be tackled immediately, and Dray just working himself open. It appears that most other quarterbacks would've actually been sacked at this point. Time was not a luxury in this situation and the play results in no yardage. Again, it's rich that the author quickly dismisses Manziel while at the same time he is quick to point out the plays that are only made available because of Johnny's ability to buy time for himself. It's as if Johnny is a victim of his own abilities.

2-10 Cle 20 (13:18)- Flustered by the blitz and does not throw dump-offs to the flats. Poor read. Again, experience would be helpful.

My conclusion: Johnny played a game in which his physical talents were on display from arm strength, accuracy, elusiveness, NFL speed, etc. Johnny's lack of experience was also on display as he missed some opportunities that his talents created for him and a few quick check-downs.

As it pertains to the biased account offered up by the author of this article, Stephen White....well I'd expect nothing less from a Tennessee grad. You'll notice that many plays from the second half were omitted, as we wouldn't want to display drops/etc and those lazy routes that White excuses earlier in his article.
 
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Nice rebuttals, but it comes off as looking for any and every excuse in the book to excuse Johnny. The guy that wrote the article is well versed in defensive schemes as he is a former NFL player.

Didn't have a chance to read everything because I am at work but will take a look later. Good post.
 
Nice rebuttals, but it comes off as looking for any and every excuse in the book to excuse Johnny. The guy that wrote the article is well versed in defensive schemes as he is a former NFL player.

Well, to be fair I don't place much more credence into what a former NFL player may have written than otherwise, as many of the most clueless (to be kind) analysts across sports were former athletes and many of the most astute analysts/coaches/etc never player or advanced beyond the most rudimentary levels of competition. Bill Belichick was a better lacrosse player than he was football at Wesleyan while Emmitt Smith routinely butchers the English language.

Now...

There are excuses to be made both for and against Manziel's performance.

For: Inexperience, poor talent around him, drops, etc
Against: Lucky throws after missed reads, made play from outside pocket (which is now seemingly a ding against that play), cant play like this consistently, etc

And then, of course, there are always going to be subjective instances where a Manziel supporter may feel that a player was covered on film whereas a Manziel detractor may feel that that this same receiver was open. We had those same debates as they pertained to BDU's film breakdown of Hoyer.

My point is that regardless of whether or not we may agree with each throw, read, or decision made by Manziel last Thursday there should be no debate that Johnny showed:
A) the physical arm talent for the position
B) mobility that is translatable to the NFL
C) command of the huddle/playbook
D) improved decision-making from last year to this point

Points A through C are important because these aspects of Johnny's skillset were lingering questions as we moved past a dismal 2014. I'd argue that these points are the prerequisites for a long-term starting QB; as lacking one or more of these skills has put a ceiling on the careers of many nice & smart quarterbacks. Point D is what separates the successful quarterbacks possessing the aforementioned skills from the backups.

I'd argue that finding a player as inexperienced as Johnny with a polished, NFL-caliber, mental grasp of the game's nuances is akin to discovering a unicorn. Hell, I'd challenge Steven White to engage the same harsh analysis to Eli/Ben/Philip circa 2004 and Mariota/Winston circa 2015. Thankfully, quarterbacks do improve and Johnny clearly has taken quantum leaps from what we saw last year to what we saw this past Thursday. I'd place much more confidence in a 22 year old QB continuing to develop rather than accept that this player will cease to improve.
 
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I'll bite...

The author types, "By the end of the game it didn't look like any of his receivers were still running their routes as hard as they had been. Probably because at that point they were no longer expecting him to actually sit in the pocket and go through his reads which made their crisp routes null and void." Well, that certainly sounds like conditions conducive to fostering good quarterback play. QB struggles? To hell with him, let's dog our routes.

He adds, "I know Manziel fans will scream about drops, but there were basically two drops, both by Browns wide receiver Taylor Gabriel. Manziel was 17-of-33 passing, a completion percentage of 45.5 percent for 168 yards and one touchdown throwing the football. Give him two more completions and let's say, 30 more yards, and you you still have less than 200 yards passing off 33 passes and a completion percentage just over 51 percent. You can even add in his 31 rushing yards on four carries, but this still would be, at best, mediocre production, no?" Again, excuse away any drops and arbitrarily add two completions for 15 yards (nevermind that one of Gabriel's drops would have been a TD). I'll take the author up on his exercise and add two completions for 30 yards along with the 31 rushing yards that he is so graciously gifting Manziel. I'll also add in the TD for context. Viola...we come to a QBR of 94. Mediocre? I'll take that every Sunday and twice on Thursday from my 22 year old QB with receivers dogging routes. So, pardon me for laughing at the author's suggestion that there is no statistical argument for Manziel.

Lets move on, shall we?

2-7 Cle 23 (14:24)- Author sees an 8 yard gain to Duke. I see a zone with an LB read to pounce on a throw to Duke in the flat until the pocket broke down, flushing Johnny to the right.

3-7 Cle 23 (14:16)- Author believes that Johnny should've thrown the ball earlier than he did. 22 year old takes time to diagnose blitz..NEWS AT 11. End result, first down pass play. Nice job, Johnny.

3-13 Cle 29 (12.37)- Author admonishes Johnny for missing Duke and he is correct. However, Johnny extends the play and throws a beautiful ball to what appeared to be an open Benjamin, on the run. Was it the best option? No, but it was a nice throw to an open receiver that put him in a position to make a play.

2-10 Cle 20 (3:13)- Author claims that Johnny should have thrown the ball to Duke nearing the right hash and approaching the 30 yard line. However, there is a Bengal sitting right between the hashes just prior to Duke's vertical positioning. That sounds like a ripe opportunity for an interception if read correctly by the Bengal. Johnny does not throw the pass, he rolls steps UP and out of the pocket and throws the ball when Duke is uncovered, for a 25 yard gain. Great job, Johnny.

3-5 Cin 12 (:27)- The author maintains that Johnny's TD pass to Duke was, in fact, a poor play of compounded difficulty after Johnny missed a "wide ass open" Barnidge. I'd like to know on what planet Barnidge appears to be "wide ass open." I see Barnidge covered underneath and to the inside (nickel's position cutting down angles) but breaking down the field and on his way to becoming open. A difficult throw to Barnidge amounts to a touchdown but lets not pretend that Barnidge could've camped out and Johnny didn't see him. Johnny does see Duke beginning to make himself open, extends the play, and throws a touchdown pass.

3-12 Cle 10 (9:51)- Travis Benjamin does not run himself open until the pocket has collapsed, Johnny has stepped up, and he notices a good amount of daylight in front of him. I'd actually argue that the better and safer play would have been the dump-off pass out of the backfield but none-the-less, Manziel put the team in a position to convert a 3rd down (short by a few feet). Could Manziel have made an incredible play by avoiding the rush, scampering up to the line, and unleashing a 35 yard pass upfield to Benjamin? Yes, in an ideal world and hopefully after gaining more experience. The irony is that Manziel's physical gifts are what even gives him the possibility of making such a play possible, as the Manning's/Brady's/Brees' would not have had the elusiveness to evade the rush and extend the play up the middle.

3-4 Cle 26 (3:14)- Poor read and dangerous throw. The throw itself was rather impressive, with regards to velocity and placement, but there was an open receiver. That being said, we don't know who the primary read happened to be and again, I'd expect a 22 year old to build confidence in the face of a blitz as his level of experience grows.

"Too late"- The author lambastes Manziel for missing what he argues are two open receivers, instead throwing an incomplete pass. In fact, Manziel is on the run with an uncovered Bengals rushing towards him, Barnidge in position to be tackled immediately, and Dray just working himself open. It appears that most other quarterbacks would've actually been sacked at this point. Time was not a luxury in this situation and the play results in no yardage. Again, it's rich that the author quickly dismisses Manziel while at the same time he is quick to point out the plays that are only made available because of Johnny's ability to buy time for himself. It's as if Johnny is a victim of his own abilities.

2-10 Cle 20 (13:18)- Flustered by the blitz and does not throw dump-offs to the flats. Poor read. Again, experience would be helpful.

My conclusion: Johnny played a game in which his physical talents were on display from arm strength, accuracy, elusiveness, NFL speed, etc. Johnny's lack of experience was also on display as he missed some opportunities that his talents created for him and a few quick check-downs.

As it pertains to the biased account offered up by the author of this article, Stephen White....well I'd expect nothing less from a Tennessee grad. You'll notice that many plays from the second half were omitted, as we wouldn't want to display drops/etc and those lazy routes that White excuses earlier in his article.

I'm very objective about the Browns and its players, but Johnny Manziel is very much improved. Yes, McCown has the experience and may complete more short passes. But Manziel has the kind of big play capability that McCown does not. And the fact is Manziel has one hand tied behind his back because there is almost no run game to support him and his receiving corps mostly stinks. I jump Manziel from C to B just on that!
 
I'll bite...

The author types, "By the end of the game it didn't look like any of his receivers were still running their routes as hard as they had been. Probably because at that point they were no longer expecting him to actually sit in the pocket and go through his reads which made their crisp routes null and void." Well, that certainly sounds like conditions conducive to fostering good quarterback play. QB struggles? To hell with him, let's dog our routes.

He adds, "I know Manziel fans will scream about drops, but there were basically two drops, both by Browns wide receiver Taylor Gabriel. Manziel was 17-of-33 passing, a completion percentage of 45.5 percent for 168 yards and one touchdown throwing the football. Give him two more completions and let's say, 30 more yards, and you you still have less than 200 yards passing off 33 passes and a completion percentage just over 51 percent. You can even add in his 31 rushing yards on four carries, but this still would be, at best, mediocre production, no?" Again, excuse away any drops and arbitrarily add two completions for 15 yards (nevermind that one of Gabriel's drops would have been a TD). I'll take the author up on his exercise and add two completions for 30 yards along with the 31 rushing yards that he is so graciously gifting Manziel. I'll also add in the TD for context. Viola...we come to a QBR of 94. Mediocre? I'll take that every Sunday and twice on Thursday from my 22 year old QB with receivers dogging routes. So, pardon me for laughing at the author's suggestion that there is no statistical argument for Manziel.

Lets move on, shall we?

2-7 Cle 23 (14:24)- Author sees an 8 yard gain to Duke. I see a zone with an LB read to pounce on a throw to Duke in the flat until the pocket broke down, flushing Johnny to the right.

3-7 Cle 23 (14:16)- Author believes that Johnny should've thrown the ball earlier than he did. 22 year old takes time to diagnose blitz..NEWS AT 11. End result, first down pass play. Nice job, Johnny.

3-13 Cle 29 (12.37)- Author admonishes Johnny for missing Duke and he is correct. However, Johnny extends the play and throws a beautiful ball to what appeared to be an open Benjamin, on the run. Was it the best option? No, but it was a nice throw to an open receiver that put him in a position to make a play.

2-10 Cle 20 (3:13)- Author claims that Johnny should have thrown the ball to Duke nearing the right hash and approaching the 30 yard line. However, there is a Bengal sitting right between the hashes just prior to Duke's vertical positioning. That sounds like a ripe opportunity for an interception if read correctly by the Bengal. Johnny does not throw the pass, he rolls steps UP and out of the pocket and throws the ball when Duke is uncovered, for a 25 yard gain. Great job, Johnny.

3-5 Cin 12 (:27)- The author maintains that Johnny's TD pass to Duke was, in fact, a poor play of compounded difficulty after Johnny missed a "wide ass open" Barnidge. I'd like to know on what planet Barnidge appears to be "wide ass open." I see Barnidge covered underneath and to the inside (nickel's position cutting down angles) but breaking down the field and on his way to becoming open. A difficult throw to Barnidge amounts to a touchdown but lets not pretend that Barnidge could've camped out and Johnny didn't see him. Johnny does see Duke beginning to make himself open, extends the play, and throws a touchdown pass.

3-12 Cle 10 (9:51)- Travis Benjamin does not run himself open until the pocket has collapsed, Johnny has stepped up, and he notices a good amount of daylight in front of him. I'd actually argue that the better and safer play would have been the dump-off pass out of the backfield but none-the-less, Manziel put the team in a position to convert a 3rd down (short by a few feet). Could Manziel have made an incredible play by avoiding the rush, scampering up to the line, and unleashing a 35 yard pass upfield to Benjamin? Yes, in an ideal world and hopefully after gaining more experience. The irony is that Manziel's physical gifts are what even gives him the possibility of making such a play possible, as the Manning's/Brady's/Brees' would not have had the elusiveness to evade the rush and extend the play up the middle.

3-4 Cle 26 (3:14)- Poor read and dangerous throw. The throw itself was rather impressive, with regards to velocity and placement, but there was an open receiver. That being said, we don't know who the primary read happened to be and again, I'd expect a 22 year old to build confidence in the face of a blitz as his level of experience grows.

"Too late"- The author lambastes Manziel for missing what he argues are two open receivers, instead throwing an incomplete pass. In fact, Manziel is on the run with an uncovered Bengals rushing towards him, Barnidge in position to be tackled immediately, and Dray just working himself open. It appears that most other quarterbacks would've actually been sacked at this point. Time was not a luxury in this situation and the play results in no yardage. Again, it's rich that the author quickly dismisses Manziel while at the same time he is quick to point out the plays that are only made available because of Johnny's ability to buy time for himself. It's as if Johnny is a victim of his own abilities.

2-10 Cle 20 (13:18)- Flustered by the blitz and does not throw dump-offs to the flats. Poor read. Again, experience would be helpful.

My conclusion: Johnny played a game in which his physical talents were on display from arm strength, accuracy, elusiveness, NFL speed, etc. Johnny's lack of experience was also on display as he missed some opportunities that his talents created for him and a few quick check-downs.

As it pertains to the biased account offered up by the author of this article, Stephen White....well I'd expect nothing less from a Tennessee grad. You'll notice that many plays from the second half were omitted, as we wouldn't want to display drops/etc and those lazy routes that White excuses earlier in his article.

I'm very objective about the Browns and its players, but Johnny Manziel is very much improved. Yes, McCown has the experience and may complete more short passes. But Manziel has the kind of big play capability that McCown does not. And the fact is Manziel has one hand tied behind his back because there is almost no run game to support him and his receiving corps mostly stinks. I jump Manziel from C to B just on that!
 
My point is that regardless of whether or not we may agree with each throw, read, or decision made by Manziel last Thursday there should be no debate that Johnny showed:
A) the physical arm talent for the position
B) mobility that is translatable to the NFL
C) command of the huddle/playbook
D) improved decision-making from last year to this point
I think there's still debate gator on a couple of your points.

Point "A" isn't conclusively proven. Arm talent encompasses strength and accuracy. I watched him miss throws against Cincy. He completed less than half of his throws statistically. Thursday did not prove or eliminate debate around Manziel's arm being NFL quality. Its not a slight either, its just not the open and shut case you assert.

Point "C" is also wide open for debate since you listed "playbook". He was late with throws. He failed to take what the defense gave him too often. Those are all "playbook" related in my view as the playbook dictates strategy and it wasn't followed.

Point "D" is true as its stated on a relative basis to last year. However, a core concern still exists regarding him decision-making. I'm less inclined to ding him here though due to his youth and inexperience.

Sunday was a step along the path but I don't think you can be intellectually honest in positioning it as establishing anything beyond his mobility translating. He needs more playing time, more film time, more everything. Scares me that he's not getting more playing time as that's certainly not encouraging.

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7+ drops man.. 7+

huh? List 'em.
 
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