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On a separate note...

Blockbuster: The #Dolphins are trading franchise LT Laremy Tunsil and WR Kenny Stills to the #Texans in exchange for a huge package of picks, including a first-rounder, sources tell me, @MikeGarafolo, and @TomPelissero. The moves are contingent on players passing physicals.

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On a separate note...

Blockbuster: The #Dolphins are trading franchise LT Laremy Tunsil and WR Kenny Stills to the #Texans in exchange for a huge package of picks, including a first-rounder, sources tell me, @MikeGarafolo, and @TomPelissero. The moves are contingent on players passing physicals.

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The #Dolphins are getting a massive haul of picks back from the #Texans: two first-round picks and a second-rounder, sources tell me, @RapSheet and @TomPelissero

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Houston has problems, so to speak. What a mess, even if Tunsil is a good player (he's not Joe Thomas). They forced their own desperation and now the cupboard is empty. Remember they traded a 3rd for a backup running back before giving away Clowney and putting together a trade package usually reserved for a franchise QB.

OL stuff will definitely take time to sort out and there's no doubt we found ourselves in a situation nobody foresaw, where neither a 33rd pick nor a solid vet f/a could make the team feel comfortable at one of the guard spots. That's fairly insane.

But the moves were really smart. Wyatt Teller was simply more than the Bills thought they got in the 5th round, stepping into the lineup because of injury and comporting himself extremely well, all the way through this preseason. But they added multiple guys at high levels on top of getting healthy and found themselves with a legit trade chip.

He now seems like the Browns drafted a very promising guard in R3 in April. That's what Teller feels like now, a guy who was more valuable than his original draft slot... but because draft pick are overvalued, Dorsey got him for a 5 and a 6, which is considered very aggressive. You don't spend that if you don't think he's a potential starter, and not just for a minute.

Then McCray is a known commodity (to Campen) with great positional versatility... but most importantly in the short term, he's actually played a lot of RG, so he offers immediate depth behind Kush while the Browns get Teller up to speed. Very smart.

Just read some insider stuff that the Browns are nowhere near as down on Corbett as the media and fans, which tend to go black and white, starter or bust. He's still a terrific athlete with plenty of talent who, for now, will be focused on the center position. If Forbes indeed gets more time learning the RT slot, it all adds up for all three young prospects, Teller/Forbes/Corbett. They're on deck and the guess would be that Teller gets to the plate first.

It'll be interesting to see how Kush plays, because he's basically on a series to series audition, at least for a couple weeks.

I know I've said this before, but the Browns approach to the line is going to feel way more Packers-ey now with Campen, not to mention the elite franchises (like Pats) managing it that way ("coaching and continuity," spread out the cap, keep feeding the pipeline, player development). We won't have "the highest paid guards" or a HOF LT, an approach we took while sucking really hard.

While fans are bitching, guys like Teller, Forbes, and Corbett will be learning how to maximize their formidable athleticism... and they'll be joined by a high-ish pick next April (first 3 rounds).
 
It MIGHT be earmarked for LT. Really depends on Robinson. I believe the Browns brass knows there are many ways to find a good starting LT but you don't throw one back when you find one without a sure-thing replacement. Mayfield is the crown jewel of this franchise and that will not be fucked with.

Notice I didn't say future HOF or "franchise LT," just a good starter. If Robinson shows he's that, the Browns will extend him, I bet. I won't pretend to have a clue how that might go but I have to think both player and team see it was win-win and breaking up as a potential misstep.

Put another way, I doubt a 25th to 32nd pick is gonna be seen as a day one starter at LT for a serious contender with a franchise QB. It would be a veteran we like better than Robinson.

I think the see-it-be-it for the Browns on the OL would be: Robinson-Bitonio-Corbett-Teller-Forbes. Not in 2020, mind you, because that's way too much overhaul. And you dream that dream knowing one of those guys probably doesn't work out and the fifth name is a 2020 2nd round pick (for example).
 
What you are missing Shep is the finances of LT. They will need to be investing in re-signing their rookies coming off contracts. It would be unlikely that they pay a veteran or G Rob above market value for middle to low tier play. Paying G rob double digit per year is unlikely unless he really cements himself this year.
 
I've thought about all that, Phil, and it's all valid. But even though it isn't quite what it was, LT will always be an impact position because it's the backside protector of THE impact position. It's not like guard or OBLB, it's a place where you know you're going to write bigger checks.

If Robinson plays even better than he did down the stretch last season, play that got him 9m for 2019, I don't see how the Browns get cavalier about finding a replacement as good for less. It certainly won't be a rookie because we won't have the top 10 pick you generally need to get a day one starter at LT.

Also remember that Baker's one of his biggest fans. That's gonna matter for the next dozen years, like it will for Higgins and Ratley. If he plays well over the first few weeks, the chatter to extend him will begin. I think it's more important than Randall, although I'd love to keep both.

I totally accept that nobody knows nothing, including me for sure... but when I consider Tretter, Robinson, Schobert, Higgins, and Randall? And rank them, assuming none of them falls off the map ability-wise or blows out a knee?

I gotta prioritize the left tackle.
 
Greg Robinson
T, Unsigned Free Agent

Browns released LT Greg Robinson but have plans to re-sign him.
The Browns still view Robinson as the starting left tackle, but a team wouldn't risk a momentary release on a player they were excited to have on the team. With tons of skill-position talent, the Browns just need to get Baker Mayfield upright to have one of the best offenses in the NFL. Starting Robinson at left tackle is a major gamble, but the Browns are at least only committing one year to him if his new contract is similar to the one he signed this offseason.

What the heck is this.. THE OL has been a disaster. Trade our best guard and cut our starting LT.. I see the plan is to re-sign him...but this is strange. .. I smell a trade with Washington for a REAL LT..
Or do is just smell a turd.. which is Baker running for his life all season long and an OL that can't open holes for the run game.. This is concerning
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Greg Robinson
T, Unsigned Free Agent

Browns released LT Greg Robinson but have plans to re-sign him.
The Browns still view Robinson as the starting left tackle, but a team wouldn't risk a momentary release on a player they were excited to have on the team. With tons of skill-position talent, the Browns just need to get Baker Mayfield upright to have one of the best offenses in the NFL. Starting Robinson at left tackle is a major gamble, but the Browns are at least only committing one year to him if his new contract is similar to the one he signed this offseason.

What the heck is this.. THE OL has been a disaster. Trade our best guard and cut our starting LT.. I see the plan is to re-sign him...but this is strange. .. I smell a trade with Washington for a REAL LT..
Or do is just smell a turd.. which is Baker running for his life all season long and an OL that can't open holes for the run game.. This is concerning
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Is this some kind of joke?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/report-browns-release-starting-lt-greg-robinson/ar-AAGEMYC
 
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It’s been pretty well covered as to why GRob was cut...

Apparently, to get Forbes on to the IR list, but not lose him for the season, it’s necessary to still have him (Forbes) as part of the 53 after the cutoff. Cutting GRob means we have that 53rd spot available, and once the cutoff passes, Forbes can go on temporary IR and we’ll re-sign GRob.

Also provides us with an opportunity to re-jig his contract apparently... The word is that GRob’s aware of it all and has no intention of going anywhere else.

Basically, it’s Dorsey playing 5D chess.
 
It’s been pretty well covered as to why GRob was cut...

Apparently, to get Forbes on to the IR list, but not lose him for the season, it’s necessary to still have him (Forbes) as part of the 53 after the cutoff. Cutting GRob means we have that 53rd spot available, and once the cutoff passes, Forbes can go on temporary IR and we’ll re-sign GRob.

Also provides us with an opportunity to re-jig his contract apparently... The word is that GRob’s aware of it all and has no intention of going anywhere else.

Basically, it’s Dorsey playing 5D chess.


From what I think I understand hes Non-Waivable...
 
From what I think I understand hes Non-Waivable...

That's the way I am understanding it, too.

From NFL Operations: https://operations.nfl.com/updates/the-players/nfl-waiver-system-overview// :

"...a vested veteran — a player who has acquired four years of pension credit — is not subject to the waiver system if the club decides to release him. That means if a team decides to release a vested veteran, the league considers his contract to be terminated immediately and he is free to negotiate and sign with any other club."

During the season however, "From the trading deadline through the end of the regular season, vested veterans are subject to the waiver process."


We won't have "the highest paid guards" or a HOF LT, an approach we took while sucking really hard.

Right! The Browns have been trying that whole "game is won in the trenches" nonsense for at least the past 15 years. The game is won by the QB on 3rd down, with skill players to help him do that. Sure, you gotta keep the QB upright, but spending all that money OL at the expense of the QB and skill players is nonsense.

-Al
 
He wasn't waived, meaning he doesn't have to clear waivers for us to sign him again. He was released.

In theory, another team could come in and offer him some big ol' 70 million dollar contract and steal him, but this is not a new technique, and I'm betting there's a "don't burn bridges" honor code among agents for these types of transactions.
 
OK, there are some grassroots theories forming. One I've read a couple of times.

Q: Why so many guards?
A: Because if G-Rob gets injured, then Bitonio may bump to LT and Teller inserts to LG.

Teller is an ox who is most comfortable at LG. Is it likely Bitonio is a better OT than Lamm? Safe to say, he probably is.

So...

RT - Hubbard, back up Lamm
RG - Kush, back up Teller
C - Tretter, back up Corbett
LG - Bitonio, back up Teller
LT - Robinson, back up Bitonio

... is the quiet buzz.

Corbett seems to have accepted the center position, and has had a very good last 2 weeks. Some players aren't meant to be treated as a jack knife.
 
Valid theory. I think it would be a discussion, though, especially with Lamm putting together such a strong preseason.

I find the Bitonio to LT discussion really interesting. He doesn't seem to want it and Joe Thomas says he isn't a LT... but the Browns coaches (and now Campen) don't necessarily seem to agree. He does fit into that Bakhtiari version of LT, the guy a lot of teams would turn into guard.

I wonder if there's a version of our long-term line that's Bitonio, Teller, Corbett, (NEW GUY), and Forbes. I bet it's in the discussion, get all the guys they like on the field. Hey, it's the Great White Wall, like that 2007 (I think) edition!

If they don't love G-Rob this year, I do think it'll be an option. I'd trade down from 32 to 33 (!!!) to lower the pay day on a RG, but you'd be getting one of the very best in the draft.

Lots of other options but it should be on the list.
 
I kinda think JT is wrong. He just knows Joel is completly happy at LG.

Bitonio's measurables are sooooo Green Bay. Campen and GB love athletic OL's.

His only non-elite numbers is that he isn't 6'5" and his bench press could have been higher, which is very likely much better how.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Browns?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Browns</a> boast a very athletic offensive line. Joe Thomas has an elite <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RAS?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#RAS</a>, though he's hurt, but Joel Bitonio and J.C. Tretter also put up great scores. <a href="https://t.co/4UxLGDfsh1">pic.twitter.com/4UxLGDfsh1</a></p>— Kent Lee Platte (@MathBomb) <a href="https://twitter.com/MathBomb/status/928454909502087170?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 9, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
He's SO Campen/Packers. Wasn't Bulaga like that too, didn't quite fit the prototype?

Also very Campen is positional versatility, helps you get your best five on the field. I hope we can keep him long enough to really establish the OL philosophy/culture.
 
Also noted is that the rookie kicker and punter were working out at FES. Good. They need to work there on a windy day and get the feel for how the ball is going to get pushed around.
 
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