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With the 21st pick in the NFL Draft, the Cleveland Browns select Phil Taylor!

Reading up some more on Taylor, I found that his "character concern" was merely a fight in a frat house that got him tossed from Happy Valley. Big deal.

I think it's awesome. We now have quite a nasty interior, imo. Folks are worried about his limited sack production, but I think he can get up field better than those numbers show.


On another note, funniest tweet of last night was after Detroit nabbed Fairley:
"Jay Cutler just retired."

Holy shit re: their interior.
 
Yeah, I read that too. No self respecting D lineman is 100% alter boy. Big with some meanness is quite ok with me.

NFL Network saying this morning "Browns fans have to be happy".

The talking heads aren't saying a whole lot about Taylor. Good to be not on "reaches in the first round" lists.
 
Browns take Phil Taylor

By Matt Florjancic, ClevelandBrowns.com Staff Writer
Posted 8 hours ago
The Browns made a pair of trades before selecting Baylor defensive tackle Phil Taylor with the 21st pick in the 2011 NFL Draft.

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After a pair of Day One trades, the Browns moved up to the 21st pick in the 2011 NFL Draft and selected former Baylor University defensive tackle Phil Taylor.
Taylor, who was introduced by Browns running back <NOBR>Peyton Hillis</NOBR>, the winner of the Madden NFL 12 cover voting contest, registered 107 total tackles, 5.5 sacks and one interception in his collegiate career.
“I stop the run, I’m a run-stuffing defensive tackle and I can get a pass-rush as well,” said Taylor. “Going to the next level is a tough task, but I’m going to take it all in. I’ll work hard and do what I need to do to get on the field.”
The Browns traded the 27th overall pick and a third round selection (No. 70 overall) to the Kansas City Chiefs in order to select Taylor.
During his time in college, Taylor gained experience as both a strong-side defensive tackle (nine starts) and nose guard (13 starts). While at Baylor, Taylor earned second-team All-Big 12 Conference honors as a senior.
Taylor transferred to Baylor after spending 2006 and 2007 at Penn State and brought a lot of raw athleticism with him. During his campus agility tests, he ran the 40-yard dash in 5.26 seconds, had a 22-inch vertical leap and recorded 35 repetitions on the 225-pound bench press, with a max of 455 pounds.
“We really like Phil Taylor and think he’s a good football player,” said Browns General Manager Tom Heckert. “He’s obviously a huge man and with him and (Ahtyba) Rubin inside, we’re going to be tough inside. It was too risky for us not to get him.”
“There’s absolutely no question he can,” Coach Pat Shurmur added about Taylor starting as a rookie. “He’s got size; he can play the run; he has pass-rush ability inside and when you’re putting together a four-three line, to have two big bodies inside like we now have is going to be good for us.”
The Browns started Thursday night with the No. 6 overall pick and elected to trade that selection to the Atlanta Falcons. In exchange for the sixth selection, the Browns received the 27th, 59th and 124th picks in the 2011 Draft, in addition to the first and fourth round choices in the 2012 Draft from the Falcons.
“We talked about it before, if we thought something was really, really intriguing to us where we could add more players, we were going to do it,” said Heckert. “We’re not saying we’re one player away. There were some good players, but we thought with what we got for the pick was too much to turn down and we felt really good about it.”
The Browns are scheduled to make to picks in the second round Friday evening. The 37th selection is based on the Browns’ 5-11 finish in 2010 and the 59th came from the Falcons.
 
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Browns bolster interior line, run defense by selecting Baylor defensive tackle Phil Taylor.

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Just when you think you know the answer, the question changes
With so many team needs staring GM Tom Heckert in the face, the Browns’ second-year general manager chose volume in trading the team’s sixth overall pick for Atlanta’s first, second and fourth round picks, along with adding 2012 selections in the first and fourth round.

After seeing the likes of Marcel Dareus, A.J. Green and Patrick Peterson taken off the board, Heckert’s decision was a no-brainer, as certainly no player in this year’s draft could be considered more valuable than obtaining four extra selections.

While Julio Jones is certainly a talented prospect, the Browns’ overall team needs extend far beyond adding one wide receiver – as evidenced by the time their first draft was finally announced late Thursday night.

In selecting Baylor’s Phil Taylor, the Browns cash in one of their third-round selections to move up six spots and grab a talented, massive defensive tackle who could form an intimidating interior line core with Ahtyba Rubin. Taylor is a massive load weighing anywhere from 340-360 pounds during his time in college.

Arriving in the AFC North, Taylor instantly fills a lingering need, as the Browns’ expansion-age struggles in stopping opposing rushing attacks has been well documented. The addition of Taylor ideally helps to solve this problem, as well as bandage the team’s needs in finding immediate inside linebacker help.

In looking at the Browns’ interior defensive line over the past several seasons, the depth has been alarmingly thin. Perhaps no better evidence could be found than during last December, where Rubin was essentially flanked by a series of undrafted gap filler.

Consequently, Rubin wore down as the season progressed and the run defense was repeatedly gouged. The addition of Taylor should only help to aid in Rubin’s potential.

Beyond grabbing an intriguing defensive tackle prospect, the Browns also filled one of their many team needs at a cost much lower than the sixth overall draft pick. Financially, Taylor comes far cheaper than a top ten selection – while Heckert maintains some great flexibility heading into the remainder of this week’s draft.

Entering Friday’s portion of the draft, the Browns are now armed with two second-round picks, along with another fourth-round selection. Certainly, the Taylor selection has to reflect this new leverage, as Heckert can now target some other key areas, such as defensive end, wide receiver and spots along the offensive line.
While Taylor does arrive with some injury baggage, including a reported foot ailment, the Baylor product’s size and strength are great signs of potential. Taylor has some impressive upper body strength and should easily transition to the physical nature of the AFC North. Although the pick was less than sensational – especially considering the huge vacuum of defensive end talent on the roster –

Heckert has taken a step toward addressed a major problem among the defense.

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<H1 class=h2>Round 1 Winners, Losers</H1><H3>Rude draft welcome for Roger Goodell; Browns arm themselves with picks

By John Clayton
ESPN.com

Originally Published: April 28, 2011
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Winners


1. Cleveland Browns: Earlier in the day, Browns quarterback Colt McCoy said team management was going to get him some offensive help. Alabama wide receiver Julio Jones would have been the perfect choice with the sixth pick in the first round. But sometimes teams can make offers you can't refuse, and that's what Atlanta did. Browns boss Mike Holmgren traded the No. 6 pick (Jones) to Atlanta, dropping down 21 picks in the first round but gaining a second-rounder, a fourth-rounder and two picks next year -- in the first and fourth rounds. Sure, it would have been nice to add a big, fast threat for McCoy and the offense. But the Falcons feel as though they might be one offensive player away from a trip to the Super Bowl. The Browns have to rebuild an entire roster. The Browns had to take that offer.

2011 NFL draft: Roger Goodell the biggest Day 1 loser - ESPN
 
I was listening to Shumur on Mike and Mike this morning and the way he talked about Heckert and this trade, it sound to me like this trade was in the works BEFORE yesterday, and may have orinigally involved Green as the bait. But when Green was gone Atlanta still took it for jones.
 
I was listening to Shumur on Mike and Mike this morning and the way he talked about Heckert and this trade, it sound to me like this trade was in the works BEFORE yesterday, and may have orinigally involved Green as the bait. But when Green was gone Atlanta still took it for jones.


I'm listening to them now and Greenie just said that teams who stockpile do well, he thinks the move was good for Cleveland...Golic disagrees.
 
Let's not forget, we've (probably) still got free agency. With all that money saved, we could snap up a tasty vet WR. In addition to guys we pick up on day 2. I like this.
 
Why in the world did ATL give up all those picks when they have an all-pro WR on the roster

Don't know much about Phil Taylor, but I didn't know much about the bottom half of round 1.

Still - Atlanta gave up all that for a #2 WR? Really? That sounds like the dumb moves we made in the past.
 
I like the pick. I wanted us to take a guy to beef up the D-line, I've been saying that and I like the videos I've seen of him. He seems to have a lot of strength and a good head for the game. The injury thing doesn't bother me, he's playing football because he loves it otherwise this weird injury would have stopped him years ago I gather and he never would have got to this point.

"Heckert has taken a major step toward addressing a major problem among the defense." that's a money quoted.
 
From Peter King:

Everything in the NFL is cyclical.
The Julio Jones trade was a perfect storm of two bold young general managers trying to do something that made inordinate sense for each team ... with a bizarre historical precedent.
"When we started talking about a trade this size about a week ago,'' Cleveland GM Tom Heckert told me last night, "we looked for a trade we might be able to pattern it after, and we found one back in 1995. Cleveland and the 49ers made a deal where the 49ers moved way up to take J.J. Stokes.''
Uh-oh. Harbinger of doom right there.
Cleveland owned the 10th pick in 1995, San Francisco the 30th. With John Taylor and Jerry Rice getting old, the 49ers sent first-, third- and fourth-round picks in 1995 and a first-rounder in 1996 to move up to take Stokes, the receiver they thought would be a great successor to Rice. He flopped, of course, averaging 38 catches a year in a starless nine-year career. In the 1995 draft, Cleveland coach Bill Belichick, running his last draft before getting fired by Art Modell, didn't have his best day. He chose linebacker Craig Powell and linebacker Mike Frederick with the first two 1995 picks.
But the 1996 first-round pick, after the franchise moved to Baltimore? Linebacker Ray Lewis.
Cleveland got zilch out of the deal. The 49ers got the same.
"I don't think history's going to repeat itself,'' said Heckert.
These two teams hope not. This time, Cleveland traded the sixth pick in the draft to Atlanta for the Falcons' first- (27th overall), second- (59th) and fourth- (124th), and next year's first- and fourth-rounders. So in 1995, San Francisco moved up 20 spots in the first round and paid a 1, 1, 3 and 4; in 2011, Atlanta moved up 21 spots in the first round and paid a 1, 1, 3, 4 and 4. An extra four, as it turns out. A ransom, some called it. A Ditka/Ricky Williams deal, others said.
I love it for both teams. Cleveland has six or eight major holes all over the field and acquired three top-60 picks and two in the fourth round to address them. In Matt Ryan's career, Atlanta may never be in position to draft a 6-foot-4, 223-pound wideout who runs a 4.38-second 40 and blocks like a poor man's Hines Ward. The Falcons were desperate for an explosive offensive player to take pressure off Roddy White -- who turns 30 this season. Seems like a good deal for both teams, though I realize the Falcons slightly overpaid for a player who has B-minus hands.
"It will be lauded by some, scrutinized by others,'' Dimitroff said over the phone just before midnight. "It's a substantial price to pay, but we spread it over two years, and we're still left with a three, a five, a six and three sevens this year. I want to emphasize this: I know the impression out there will be that we must think we're one player away to have paid so much for one player. But that isn't the case at all. We need more explosive playmaking, and this will help not only Matt but Roddy White and Michael Jenkins and Tony Gonzalez. We just decided to make an aggressive bold move that we think will pay off for our team.''
Dimitroff first called Heckert last week, and they actually reached the perameters of a deal early this week. Cleveland would have gotten cold feet had the best player on their board, A.J. Green slipped down to their pick at six, but that didn't happen. When Jones was there at six, both teams eagerly pulled the trigger.
This is the kind of trade a timid GM can't make. Wouldn't make. I'm reminded of the 2008 draft, when I spent the weekend in Atlanta for Dimitroff's first draft. He turned down a treasure trove from Baltimore to stay at number three and pick Mike Vick's replacement, Ryan. Then he dealt two second-round picks in a deal for tackle Sam Baker, the 21st pick in the first round. Baker wasn't worthy of the 21st pick in terms of talent, but Dimitroff saw the tackles flying off the board and said, "It can't always be about the value. Sometimes it has to be about the player.'' Baker's a passable left tackle now, and without him, Ryan might have been abused significantly more in his first three years.
But give credit to Heckert too. The Browns desperately wanted a wideout threat; they have none for young quarterback Colt McCoy. And now the pressure's on Heckert to make sure that, like Dimitroff, he can turn one of these prominent picks into an explosive offensive weapon.
This is the deal that made the 2011 draft so much fun. A good friend of mine, a Falcons fans from Augusta, Ga., texted late last night to say, "ATL has a Christmas feel to it tonight.'' Thanks to Dimitroff.
 
I don't see what's not to like here. The Browns got a guy considered a top DT talent. Off the radar for most of us? Yes. But that's why we have Alo to explain these things. :)

I personally don't like the 4-3 but if we're going to play the damn thing, then this pick is an obvious must-have. Pairing Taylor with Rubin turns our interior D-line into a MAJOR strength and I have to imagine it will be MUCH easier to add a nifty speed DE later than it would a big-time DT like this.

Again, it just makes plain old sense, and I like plain old sense.

As for the trade-up, I read somewhere tonight (Schefter maybe?) that KC was ready to take Taylor so it sounds like the 3rd was either extortion or a win-win for both. Either way, who the hell cares? That 3rd rounder is WAY less likely to impact our draft than Phil Taylor is so I'm GREAT with it.

Have to disagree with ya bro...Joe montana was a third rounder...We do not know...but bet that I will track the pick we gave away.
 
This is why the stockpiling concept doesn't immediately fire up Browns fans. It totally didn't work before. We stockpiled picks, ended up with junk, and the Jets went to the playoffs. From Cleveland.com:

"Mack is the only player under contract from the (last stockpiling) trade. Coleman and Ratliff are off the roster, and Elam is a free agent. Linebacker David Veikune, the player acquired with the second-round pick, was cut after one year. The two sixth-round picks — cornerback Coye Francies and running back James Davis — are gone."

That seems like a decent enough lead-in for my opinion, and I'm trying like hell to have an open mind. Clearly, the Browns weren't dealing with an idiot in Dimitroff, one of the hottest GMs in football, but the two teams were coming from very different places.

The Falcons are looking to take the last step. They're aiming at the Super Bowl. They'll have Julio Jones and Roddy White for Matt Ryan as they try to catch up to the Packers.

The Browns clearly are NOT expecting much in 2011. As far as this year and our first three picks (potential starters within some reason), we went from 6, 37, and 70 to 21, 37, and 59. So we traded a 6 and a 70 for a 21 and a 59 as far as this year.

What does that mean to us immediately? Well... we get Phil Taylor instead of Julio Jones and then whatever we get at 59 instead of what we would have taken at 70. Just boiling it down to its essence. Nobody's gonna hold any parades over that.

But what about next year? Bottom line, being reasonable, we probably added a pick between 26 and 32. In both years, I'm aware of the low fourth round picks. I'll leave it at that for now.

Is that a big haul? Highway robbery? No. When we list the players, I kind of doubt we'll be raving anymore than we did about the Jets trade two years ago. We'll have more draft picks at lower slots.

I'm not in full panic mode. We've been here before. We went into a draft with a five and came out with Alex Mack. This year, we went in with a six and came out with Phil Taylor. The first is really good, but in the last two seasons we've won 10 games. Maybe the second will be, too. Will it ever add up to more wins? I have no idea. It's certainly not exhilarating or anything but maybe in the long run it works out somehow.

Maybe we're saving cash for free agents. I know after round one we still have the weakest WR personnel in the NFL and we don't have much of a pass rush in a league where passing the ball and rushing the passer are probably the two most important elements on a winning game plan.

I haven't liked our drafts in a while. Anecdotally, you could say we've found some nice players. Big picture, the Browns went from 10-6 in 2007 to 4, 5, and 5 wins. That's the real grade card for what we've done over the past three offseasons.

Now, in a fourth offseason, we've added Phil Taylor. How do I feel? I'm shrugging. I have no idea how to feel yet.
 
Big haul?......hell yea.

The Browns just became younger and tougher. Tired of the soft can't stop the run pussy defense? I was and I'm glad they are taking steps to get stronger, younger and meaner up the middle. It's just the beginning. They admitted by the trade that the team was lacking talent and one WR wasn't going to do anything in the long run.

I expect round two further address the DL. I'd love to add a few players like Sheard or Reed. Gives us picks to add developmental players like a Casey Mathews, Colin McCarthy or Pat Devlin in the 4th round. Also gives us enough picks to add a developmental OT to take over for Pashos in a year of two.

It puts us in a position next year to make a big strike and add those skilled pieces. This is he right way to build a team. This is the way Bill Walsh and Ron Wolf taught Holmgren and the way Heckert and Reid make Philly a winner.

All the doom and gloom about not grabbing a WR is garbage. Throw all the number out you want but there was nobody there the Browns thought was worth the millions for a #6 pick.

This team needed youth, speed and depth. Hopefully they pick the right guys because they set themselves up to do just that. They will be a better football team for waht they did.
 
Big haul?......hell yea.

The Browns just became younger and tougher. Tired of the soft can't stop the run pussy defense? I was and I'm glad they are taking steps to get stronger, younger and meaner up the middle. It's just the beginning. They admitted by the trade that the team was lacking talent and one WR wasn't going to do anything in the long run.

I expect round two further address the DL. I'd love to add a few players like Sheard or Reed. Gives us picks to add developmental players like a Casey Mathews, Colin McCarthy or Pat Devlin in the 4th round. Also gives us enough picks to add a developmental OT to take over for Pashos in a year of two.

It puts us in a position next year to make a big strike and add those skilled pieces. This is he right way to build a team. This is the way Bill Walsh and Ron Wolf taught Holmgren and the way Heckert and Reid make Philly a winner.

All the doom and gloom about not grabbing a WR is garbage. Throw all the number out you want but there was nobody there the Browns thought was worth the millions for a #6 pick.

This team needed youth, speed and depth. Hopefully they pick the right guys because they set themselves up to do just that. They will be a better football team for waht they did.

Love ya Y-town...but you fking drink the koolaid every year...lol
 
Shep, you've chosen one perspective to view this thing.

The other (read: better) perspective is that we traded Jones for Taylor along with moving our third round this year to the second round and a first/fourth next year.

For a team that was NOT going on a deep playoff run this year, how is that anything other than genius? Seriously. Jones is a physical specimen with B- hands. I liked him. I would have liked to have seen us select him. However, he was FAR from can't miss.

You simply get way too emotionally tied to playmakers. You always have. Its why you (and I for that matter) would make shitty GM's. Heckert/Holmgren played the overwhelming percentages here. Be happy. We still have days 2/3 to go this year.
 
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