With the 21st pick in the NFL Draft, the Cleveland Browns select Phil Taylor!
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hiwaygal
QUALITY OVER QUANTITY
To put this in perspective a bit...we only need to score more points than the team we are playing each week.
If we get 7 and hold them to 3, then we have a W in the column.
We don't have to score more points than all the other teams in the league at the end of the season. We only have to have more Ws. Doesn't matter how they come.
YtownBacker
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better then the wooooooo-is-me attitude I guess.
I have wanted a kick ass defense for years and I'm tired of the fat, slow and old big money FAs that give us shit in return. I hope today they keep going DL and LB. Let's get this thing fixed once and for all so we can put the final pieces in place for the offense.
Yes, I am a fan. And yes I am a "glass is half full" type guy and I try to look at the positive. If that's "drinking the koolaid"................guilty as charged.
I drank it last year and it tasted good so I'm back for more.
BTW, I hated the Winslow pick and hated the Edwards pick. I liked Savage better then RAC. That was a strike out. I said give mangini a chance but then said enough is enough, let's move on. I like Holmgren and Heckert. I like their professionalism, I like how they give the organization credibility and I think they will get us over the top.
Even without Quinn or Little.............................LOL
eace:Bronx Cheer
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I didn't like the trade, but after I looked at what happened with Gabbert dropping further than expected and Locker going early it was obvious the ATL trade was the only thing cooking. Our dream scenarios of picking up a second for dropping only a few spots to someone wanting Gabbert was just that, a dream.
What really burns, though, is the giving up of one of those hard-earned picks to grab a guy who:
1) is 340lbs and has two bad feet for which there is no medical cure,
2) plays 1-tech, not 3-tech, so is duplicative of our best D player, and
3) would have been there anyway (or someone else would have been there).
I probably would have sucked it up and picked Julio, but if I were convinced to make the trade (if I had the intelligence on there being no market for Gabbert) I certainly would not have picked Taylor nor traded a third to pick him. He just doesn't fit next to Rubin.
I see it now. In round 2, Heckert is going to pick a SS who has trouble in coverage, and then trade a future #2 to move up five spots and grab a relatively slow, but bruising tailback from Arkansas. All we need then is a developmental LT and we are set (to trade down out of next year's top 10 pick).
What really burns, though, is the giving up of one of those hard-earned picks to grab a guy who:
1) is 340lbs and has two bad feet for which there is no medical cure,
2) plays 1-tech, not 3-tech, so is duplicative of our best D player, and
3) would have been there anyway (or someone else would have been there).
I probably would have sucked it up and picked Julio, but if I were convinced to make the trade (if I had the intelligence on there being no market for Gabbert) I certainly would not have picked Taylor nor traded a third to pick him. He just doesn't fit next to Rubin.
I see it now. In round 2, Heckert is going to pick a SS who has trouble in coverage, and then trade a future #2 to move up five spots and grab a relatively slow, but bruising tailback from Arkansas. All we need then is a developmental LT and we are set (to trade down out of next year's top 10 pick).
Solon16
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Stayed put at 27..taken Phil Taylor
or... Sherrod ,Carimi or costanzo,as bookend RT, or Cam heyward or wilkersen or M. austin DT, or kyle rudolph or or even...."gulp" Bowers!
And still have the #70 3rd round pick in this draft!!! with whom you might get...
Kelvin sheppard, austin pettis, Quan sturdivant, daniel thomas, Mason Foster, kendall hunter, jeremy kerley, etc etc etc etc etc etc........Bruce carter may drop to 70...tons of guys that could help Browns....
Bronx Cheer
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OK, so we now have young, fat, slow, chronically injured, and duplicative. So much better.
Bronx Cheer
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Winner, winner, chicken dinner.
Koa
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Apparently Bronx Cheer is the scouting authority on Phil Taylor. Barking Hard feels so lucky to have you here.
YtownBacker
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Sorry dude hate to bust your bubble but there are no bad feet here. Heckert said Taylor went through extensive medical evaluations at the combine recheck and they had him at the Cleveland Clinic for an evaluation. There were no signs, wait............no signs of the condition. Let's do it again. There were no signs of the foot condition. He missed zero time for feet problems in two years at Baylor.
Now, he ran a 4.81 and a 4.83 for the Browns when they worked him out. So, we have a big, young mean, quick DT as a piece for our OL.
Like I tried to say before the draft, there is more then one need or a biggest need. This team needs a coup of talent to be competitive. Being bad is one thing. Being bad and old is worse. We aren't one impact player away from bumping past Balt and Pitts to win the conference.
Now, it's about using the picks they got to make this team better. Like it or not.
Bronx Cheer
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Thanks! It is always great to be appreciated. I especially appreciate your argument regarding how I am wron ... er ... nevermind.
Seriously, though, what did I say that was wrong? Yes, he looks like a pretty good player. But he looks like a prototype 3-4NT (slow, fat, 2-gap run stopper), not 4-3 undertackle. Every scouting report I saw said so, and my (very amateur) eyes seem to agree. Then you factor in that there are medical reports that say both his feet are ticking time bombs and that he has trouble keeping under 350 lbs, and the pick starts to stink a little. Finally, we have Rubin already on our roster as a 2-gap space eating NT, and he doesn't have injury concerns. What exactly am I saying that is so off the wall? If the injury concerns don't bother us, then how is this guy worth a trading up for when we could have had Paea at 37 (a more traditional 4-3 undertackle) and a good LB or OT prospect in round 3?
Shep
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Wanting playmakers for the current Cleveland Browns, the 31st scoring team, is also known as "common sense."
The bottom line, Grey, is that instead of 6, 37, and 70, we'll get 21, 37, and 59. It's the truth. That's what will show up at training camp. Oh, and that late 4th round pick.
And next year, we'll add a 30th pick or something. Genius? Exciting?
If you insist. I sincerely appreciate the optimism. I find it a little harder every year.
The bottom line, Grey, is that instead of 6, 37, and 70, we'll get 21, 37, and 59. It's the truth. That's what will show up at training camp. Oh, and that late 4th round pick.
And next year, we'll add a 30th pick or something. Genius? Exciting?
If you insist. I sincerely appreciate the optimism. I find it a little harder every year.
Shep
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I have to have a LITTLE faith and say the foot thing may be nonsense. Let's hope.
I'll also say that Jauron must've wanted two NT types in his interior or it wouldn't have happened.
I would've stayed at 27 and taken either Austin or Sheard, especially if the latter ends up gone before our pick. If I took Sheard, I'd probably take Greg Little at 37 and a three-tech at 59, like Nevis.
I'll also say that Jauron must've wanted two NT types in his interior or it wouldn't have happened.
I would've stayed at 27 and taken either Austin or Sheard, especially if the latter ends up gone before our pick. If I took Sheard, I'd probably take Greg Little at 37 and a three-tech at 59, like Nevis.
Solon16
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So why are you excited about moving up 6 spots and giving AWAY our #70 pick...when we got a 2 6 rounders 2 years ago for similar (VALUE) FLEECED!
Bronx Cheer
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YTown-
I hope the Browns' medical evaluation is the correct one. They also thought Hardesty was solid, too, so forgive me if I don't trust the Cleveland Clinic. Big guys with congenital leg problems are scary things.
As for the extra picks, so what? After the genius trade up, we have ONE extra pick this year - a low fourth. I don't think that guy is really going to tip the scales, do you? We'll probably pick a DB there that will play on special teams for two years before he is cut to make room for the 2014 low round draftees.
I hope the Browns' medical evaluation is the correct one. They also thought Hardesty was solid, too, so forgive me if I don't trust the Cleveland Clinic. Big guys with congenital leg problems are scary things.
As for the extra picks, so what? After the genius trade up, we have ONE extra pick this year - a low fourth. I don't think that guy is really going to tip the scales, do you? We'll probably pick a DB there that will play on special teams for two years before he is cut to make room for the 2014 low round draftees.
Shep
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It's really a wash, I guess: 21, 37, and 59 instead of 6, 37, and 70. You lose the premium pick (Jones, Quinn, Fairley) in return for moving the 70 to 59. You drop 14 in round one to move up 11 in round 3.
That's the truth of it... plus that 25-32 next year. The tell will be how Jones, Quinn, and Fairley do compared to Phil Taylor, I guess. I wouldn't take those odds to Vegas, myself.
Bronx Cheer
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Don't forget how Taylor does in comparison to some other DL guy they could have gotten without giving up #70 (e.g., Heyward, Paea, Austin) PLUS whoever they could have gotten at 70.
These people defending the picks are "My country, right or wrong" types, while I am more of a "My country, right our wrongs" type. I just cannot see how you say "stockpiling picks is the way to go" in one sentence and then trade away one of those hard earned picks to grab a square peg for a round hole when there are plenty of high quality round pegs still on the board.
Pass the Kool-aid, I guess.
Shep
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It's pretty much that way every year. A lot of guys will find ways to love whatever we do and get pissed off at anyone who disagrees.
YtownBacker
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Hey doom and gloom, I didn't think Hardesty was washed up yet. Do you judge a draft on year one? BTW, Hardesty didn't reinjure a knee, it was a new injury. Heaven forbid if we discounted every player who was ever injured. So, Dr. Bronx, if the CC or our doctors evaluate a guy as clean and healthy, what should the coaches and GM do? Ward had prior injury problems. There is no indication that Taylor has any leg problems. Big boys with bad attitudes are scary also.
Hell let's pass on them all and take a guy with a screw in his foot. I guess that's not a medical issue. Heaven forbid what would you have said if we took a guy who does really have a foot problem and we knew it.
A few extra picks, so what.................who wants to build a team the right way? I'd rather keep picking #6 for the next ten years.
We got to get you a job in this FO because you have all the answers before they even make their second pick in the draft. You are da man.
Solon16
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Ding ding ding
Shep
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Y, I think you mean we'll keep picking in the 20s. Because that's what we do when we have a top 10 pick. We draft like a team that's coming off a string of 11-5 seasons.
We aren't gonna have a lot more draft picks. We had three in the first three rounds.... and we have three now. They're just different ones. We have two 4s and two 6s. Yea.
The real net gain was a 25-32 pick next year.
That's your definition of "The Right Way." Okay. Fair enough.
We aren't gonna have a lot more draft picks. We had three in the first three rounds.... and we have three now. They're just different ones. We have two 4s and two 6s. Yea.
The real net gain was a 25-32 pick next year.
That's your definition of "The Right Way." Okay. Fair enough.