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Manziel throws Browns under the bus

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Brownsfan said:
How stupid was that?
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I don't recall you being around 3 years ago. maybe too many hits to my head years ago.

What I do know is bosses tell others what to do. if you refuse it goes on your record. in a perfect world Mike gets on the Mic back then and outs Farmer and Jimmy as fools that want a rookie who doesn't know the offense to start. but if he does Mike doesn't get a job in the NFL again.

None of the above or a eyewitness in the building will change your mind.
so you post again get the last word.
 
Let’s not forget that start against Cincinnati

The whole fucking team looked like they layed down and quit because of Manziel starting

It was obvious. He was “alone”

I’m not defending him, I’m only recapturing the utter dysfunction
 
madmadworld said:
I don't recall you being around 3 years ago. maybe too many hits to my head years ago.

What I do know is bosses tell others what to do. if you refuse it goes on your record. in a perfect world Mike gets on the Mic back then and outs Farmer and Jimmy as fools that want a rookie who doesn't know the offense to start. but if he does Mike doesn't get a job in the NFL again.

None of the above or a eyewitness in the building will change your mind.
so you post again get the last word.
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I don't know about hits in the head, but if you had looked, you would have seen that my join date was June 2012. I have been a fairly consistent regular since then. I was here when Haslam announced the hiring of Banner as CEO and relieved Holmgren, Heckert and Shurmur of their jobs. I was here when Banner hired Lombardi and when Chud was hired. I was here when Banner fired Chud and when Pettine was hired. I was here when Haslam fired Banner and Lombardi and elevated Farmer to the position of GM. And, of course, more recently, I was here when Haslam fired Farmer and Pettine and announced the hiring of Sashi Brown. I was here when Hue Jackson was hired, and I was here when Haslam fired Sashi and hired John Dorsey.

I do not ever remember an announcement that Farmer was Pettine's boss. Instead, I seem to remember that both reported to Haslam much as both Dorsey and Jackson report to Haslam.

Theoretically, Haslam was Pettine's boss much as Haslam is currently Hue's boss. However there is a difference. Haslam could fire Hue tomorrow and nobody would question it. Clearly Haslam is now in full control. If Hue was to disappoint Haslam, Hue could be gone in a moment's time.

But that was not the case with Pettine in 2014. In 2014, Pettine held all the cards. Even Haslam had to be careful with Pettine because Pettine was invulnerable. With all the firings that had gone on before, Haslam was getting a bad reputation for quick firings and could not afford at that time to extend the reputation. Because Chud had been fired after only a year, Pettine effectively could not be fired for at least two years.

That meant that, as a practical matter, Pettine had autonomy. For a time, he essentially had no boss and essentially had uncontrolled power in Berea. As the head coach, he could manage the team in any manner he wanted and nobody could force him to do otherwise--for two years.

As for the eyewitness you mentioned, I am not aware of any eyewitness to those events still in the building and I doubt if one even exists considering that that, except for Haslam, there has been an almost complete turnover in Berea since Pettine ruled the roost.
 
F5journal said:
Let’s not forget that start against Cincinnati

The whole fucking team looked like they layed down and quit because of Manziel starting

It was obvious. He was “alone”

I’m not defending him, I’m only recapturing the utter dysfunction
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F5journal said:
That game looked like 9-10 players in cahoots to make sure he looked as bad as possible
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And that is another story. Before that game we were still 7-6. And while Hoyer threw two interceptions the previous week in Indianapolis, one was very late, after the game had been decided with 14 seconds remaining with the ball on the Cleveland 28 yard line. Due mainly to a couple of defensive scores, we led 24-19 until with about 3 minutes remaining Andrew Luck mounted a 11 play 90 yard touchdown drive to put it away. So while it was true that Hoyer didn't perform well in the game, it was certainly not all on Hoyer. But Pettine made the decision to start Manziel in the Cincinnati game regardless.

Replacing Hoyer with a kid who didn't know the offense and could only wing it was absurd. Hell, to even consider it was absurd. We might have lost with Hoyer, but at least we would have had a chance. And while the fan weren't aware that Manziel didn't know the offense, the coaching staff and players certainly knew.

My theory is that in the beginning, Pettine got the idea that Hoyer was Brady, and, unfortunately, discovered during the season that Hoyer wasn't Brady after all and held it against Hoyer. The move toward Manziel was not sudden. Pettine benched Hoyer for Manziel in the Buffalo game when Hoyer struggled, and Manziel rallied the team for a score and the fans went wild. But winging it for a score in a relief role is not the same as starting without a plan.

But, of course, all of this was because Farmer wanted Pettine to start Manziel to sell more tickets.
 
Lovely how this stuff was all pulled out of context to make it sound bad.

Manziel told the truth.

He said

-He was unprepared and it was his fault.

-The Browns knew he had a large learning curve to take on going from no playbook to and NFL offense.

-Compared to Josh Mccown, Brian Hoyer was an asshole.

-Josh Mccown was critical to his successes.

-The turmoil in the front office and disagreements with the coaching staff made a hectic environment.

-He has no one to blame but himself.


He accepted responsibility for everything he did saying he is the only one to blame.

While also noting the environmental issues in the locker room and organization (well documented ones.. the Farmer Shiner Haslam/ Pettine coaching staff rift... and the Manziel/Hoyer relationship.)

Its nothing new.

He didnt say anything that hasnt been said by other reporters.

Stop villainizing him. Hes already villanized himself enough with his own actions. No need to pile on.
 
Who gives two shits about this guy or what he has to say? Predicting him to bust was literally the easiest call in the last 20 years.

Fuck off Manziel...and go crawl back under the rock in which you came.
 
Shep said:
Pretty strong consensus on Brian Hoyer being a huge dick.
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Damn it, Shep. That is not fair. It wasn't his job to tutor Manziel. Manziel, himself, said so. Hoyer was professional in his relationship with the other quarterbacks and that was all that should be expected. Dorsey understands the roles of players and has made arrangement to make sure that Taylor is not expected to help our new rookie quarterback. It won't be his job to tutor the kid. His job will be to pilot the Browns to some wins in 2018. It is a different situation with Stanton because it will be part of his job to help with the kid's orientation and development.

One can give kudos to McCown for his efforts with the kid. And, no doubt, Manziel will forever be grateful for what McCown did for him regardless of what happens in the future. But one does not need to gig Hoyer for concentrating on his own job and trying to get some wins for the team and the fans. In 2014, he got us 7 wins which is the most in my memory as a Browns fan. If the team ever got more wins than that, it was before my time. And, in my opinion, it is not fair to bad mouth him for his efforts to win games.
 
Brownsfan said:
Damn it, Shep. That is not fair. It wasn't his job to tutor Manziel. Manziel, himself, said so. Hoyer was professional in his relationship with the other quarterbacks and that was all that should be expected. Dorsey understands the roles of players and has made arrangement to make sure that Taylor is not expected to help our new rookie quarterback. It won't be his job to tutor the kid. His job will be to pilot the Browns to some wins in 2018. It is a different situation with Stanton because it will be part of his job to help with the kid's orientation and development.

One can give kudos to McCown for his efforts with the kid. And, no doubt, Manziel will forever be grateful for what McCown did for him regardless of what happens in the future. But one does not need to gig Hoyer for concentrating on his own job and trying to get some wins for the team and the fans. In 2014, he got us 7 wins which is the most in my memory as a Browns fan. If the team ever got more wins than that, it was before my time. And, in my opinion, it is not fair to bad mouth him for his efforts to win games.
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I get that Hoyer wanted the job just as much if not more than Johnny, and therefore he wasnt in it to help his competition. At the same time, its a TEAM game, and Johnny was a first round draft pick with the writing in the wall to be the future. It was stated by multiple players and other ppl in the org and Johnny himself that Brian was less than welcoming.

Its so tough because we cant blame Hoyer for not helping Johnny take his job...

Yet.. at the same time.. in context... he sort of should have.

Either way, with hindsight now we know Hoyer definitely wasnt the future. He flamed out in Houston, and his flamed out in San Fran.. vs a no name guy with no arm.

Unfortunately it was a situation.. once again.. in hindsight..

That both sides were wrong.

Johnny wasn't right in the head, and Hoyer wasn't right on the foeld.

No one wins.
 
Situation: a set of circumstances in which one finds oneself; a state of affairs.

Assign blame till the cows come home.....figure the shit out and win....or don't. Posterity doesn't give a fuck.
 
PlaygroundLegend said:
Is that a serious question?

Ever been somewhere or entered into an environment where you clearly arent welcome? Its kind of debilitating... and sucks the motivation right out of you. You feel as if there is a glass ceiling.
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Like Hoyer said, "It's hard enough to win a game in this league when you have the full support of everybody, so when there's that dissent in the building, it trickles down and not only just me, but others guys on the team saying 'what's the deal, what's going to happen?'''

Ezra is right. Posterity don't care. (Actually, he said it a little differently, but it amount to the same thing.) What matters are the lessons learned and how one proceeds in the future. Hopefully, Taylor will have the support of the entire organization this year. That is what matters now.
 
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