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Donald Trump - FLAWLESS VICTORY

thebeast0449 said:
let me expedite this

the republicans are about to make a total mockery of the U.S constitution
well,they already are
mc mitch has just said the WH council will be handling the impeachment trial in the senate
wha..?
so he openly says mr trump will be effectively judged by his own lawyers
besides mc mitch has already concluded before viewing the evidence before the senate
that mr trump will not be removed.
In mocking the constitution they are laughing in the face of every american citizen
anyone who takes an oath or has taken an oath to the US constitution
should be furious

it was only a matter of time before the polarisation of politics in the US
caused real damage to the state and her constitution
forget about the thankgiving argument with cousin frank
this is literally starting to tear your country apart
without law? without an effective constitution?
what do you got?
an executive branch who IS above the law

this should make every living american angry
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So what does politics have to do with this thread?
 
nickers said:
So what does politics have to do with this thread?
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Nick, if I know you, you will blame Shep. But, Nick, that is too easy. We should blame Stray. Stray should have known that Shep is looking for any excuse for informing us deplorables of what he sees as our dire situation.

He does not understand that we are currently enjoying the first semblance of peace in a generation, 266,000 new jobs last month and an unemployment rate of 3.5%. In other words: peace and prosperity for the first time in a generation.

He also seems to have missed the significance of an IG report that establishes that a rouge portion of the FBI, hand picked by McCabe, fed a willing MSM fake news and lies of Russian collusion for almost three years. It is, of course, natural for him to turn the situation on its head and act as if Trump was the offender in the matter.
 
thebeast0449 said:
the republicans are about to make a total mockery of the U.S constitution
well,they already are
mc mitch has just said the WH council will be handling the impeachment trial in the senate
wha..?
so he openly says mr trump will be effectively judged by his own lawyers
besides mc mitch has already concluded before viewing the evidence before the senate
that mr trump will not be removed.
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It is interesting how liberals can turn things on its head. Basically all Mitch is saying is that the Senate will allow Trump's lawyers to decide on the kind of defense that they will mount.

The House will prosecute the case within the rules of the Senate and so will the defense. The Senate will act as the jury, but the President's lawyers, not the Senate, will mount the defense of the President, and rightfully so.

In mocking the constitution they are laughing in the face of every american citizen
anyone who takes an oath or has taken an oath to the US constitution
should be furious
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In my opinion, it is the Democrats in the House who are mocking the constitution.

it was only a matter of time before the polarisation of politics in the US
caused real damage to the state and her constitution
forget about the thankgiving argument with cousin frank
this is literally starting to tear your country apart
without law? without an effective constitution?
what do you got?
an executive branch who IS above the law

this should make every living american angry
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I can't disagree that this unfounded impeachment has to this point been detrimental to our country and our form of government. However, it also has the potential of restoring sanity in this country similar to the way Brexit eventually had the effect of restoring Brittish sovereignty to their country.
 
Brownsfan said:
Nick, if I know you, you will blame Shep. But, Nick, that is too easy. We should blame Stray. Stray should have known that Shep is looking for any excuse for informing us deplorables of what he sees as our dire situation.

He does not understand that we are currently enjoying the first semblance of peace in a generation, 266,000 new jobs last month and an unemployment rate of 3.5%. In other words: peace and prosperity for the first time in a generation.

He also seems to have missed the significance of an IG report that establishes that a rouge portion of the FBI, hand picked by McCabe, fed a willing MSM fake news and lies of Russian collusion for almost three years. It is, of course, natural for him to turn the situation on its head and act as if Trump was the offender in the matter.
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Finally......someone who gets it! You are wise beyond your years ;)
 
Im just pointing out what mr trump is doing to your country and her constitution
your president is no patriot
do you think you are being patriotic backing mr trump?
a true patriot answers to the constitution and the republic
he's JAG not the embodiment of your republic
Its funny I have insulted nobody
yet here you all are ready to cut my balls out? LOL
because Im a liberal? which Ive said 1000 times Im not
I am a free thinking non voter
I'm just calling it how I see it

Brownsfan said:
The House will prosecute the case within the rules of the Senate and so will the defense. The Senate will act as the jury, but the President's lawyers, not the Senate, will mount the defense of the President, and rightfully so.
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why bother with a trial?
the head of the senate already decided the outcome.
publicly
thats the point I'm making
 
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thebeast0449 said:
Im just pointing out what mr trump is doing to your country and her constitution
your president is no patriot
do you think you are being patriotic backing mr trump?
a true patriot answers to the constitution and the republic
he's JAG not the embodiment of your republic
Its funny I have insulted nobody
yet here you all are ready to cut my balls out? LOL
because Im a liberal? which Ive said 1000 times Im not
I am a free thinking non voter
I'm just calling it how I see it
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There is a saying that if something walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and looks like a duck, the chances are that it is a duck. If you don't want me to think of you as a liberal, stop taking liberal positions and sounding like a liberal.

why bother with a trial?
the head of the senate already decided the outcome.
publicly
thats the point I'm making
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Beast, he hasn't "decided" anything, he is just counting votes.

But, heck, Beast, I could have told you the same thing. It would take a 2/3 majority of the Senate members to convict and remove the President from office. There are currently 47 Democrat votes in the senate that might be counted on to convict with 67 required. Do you or anybody really believe there are 20 Republican that might be persuaded to vote to remove the President from office? This was a purely partisan exercise in futility by House Democrats which even they know will go nowhere.
 
ToastedPagel said:
Pretty sure the Constitution says otherwise.
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they dont care very much about the constitution
mc mitch just came out and took a giant :turd: on it
the senate is in essence a jury in an impeachment
the head juror cannot have a news conference before the trial
and announce there will be no conviction
HAS THE WORLD GONE MAD?
republicans-the law and order people.WTF?

these are not liberal views.they are decent common values anyone can understand
you know,law,order fuc*ing common decency,right and wrong
FACTS.
these things are not red or blue and nor am I
you are just trying to do exactly what your republican friends are doing in congress
make it an anti republican issue and not a legitimate impeachment investigation
an you can pound your fists on the table all you like
the WORLD can see he's guilty of what he's been charged with as clear as day
internationally trump is seriously damaging the US and her reputation
I would turn on any politician left or right who acted out the way this man has regardless of stripe.

I used to think republicans were for
christian values
strong military
law and order
stability and deregulation
low taxes and rampant homosexuality

today I think they are for
corruption
adultery
arrogance
cowardice
conceit
dishonesty
weakening of institutions
low taxes and rampant homosexuality

I would love it IF the reb's turned on him and threw him out
imagine that,pence as president.thank god
I would love that
a normal republican again whew
but that would take an enormous amount of courage
I'm afraid they just dont possess
exhibit A



"He's not fit to be president of the united states"
 
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thebeast0449 said:
I used to think republicans were for
christian values
strong military
law and order
stability and deregulation
low taxes and rampant homosexuality
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With one exception, I think the above is representative of Republicans in general. As a Libertarian, I cringe when you refer to "rampant homosexuality." I would have replaced "rampant homosexuality" with "privacy." I want government out of our bedrooms and I consider sexual orientation to be a matter of private concern and should remain a private matter.

As for the rest, while I am an atheist in the sense that I see no evidence for the existence of a supernatural being that rules the universe and find the concept to be at odds with natural law, I have an appreciation for what is generally considered Christian values. In addition, I place value on the notions of a strong military to defend our freedom, law and order to defend our personal security and stability of our institutions. Deregulation does not exist as a first principal but rather a reaction to stifling overregulation by the liberal elite. The trick is to maintain sufficient regulations of our institutions for a level playing field while avoiding overreach of the bureaucracy.

With the exception noted, I consider the above list to be consistent with Republican values and the efforts of the Trump administration.

As for much of the rest of your post, it appears to me that you are attempting to project your parliamentary form of government onto our constitutional republic. In a parliamentary form of government, the parliament is supreme and the prime minister serves at the pleasure of parliament. And certainly your form of government has certain advantages. For example, you never have divided government in the sense that we can have divided government.

Nevertheless, I prefer our constitutional republic. In our constitutional republic, the President is chosen directly by the People at regular four year intervals and represents a separate branch of our government. Because of possible overreach by the executive during periods between elections, the Congress is given an oversight role. And in certain extenuating circumstances, the Congress actually has the power to remove the President from office. But, according to our constitution, this should occur only for specific crimes such as treason, bribery or other high crimes and misdemeanors. According to our Constitution, the reason for removing a President must be more than merely finding disfavor with the Congress.

In the present case, on a basic level, the Congress has charged the president with incurring disfavor with Congress. It charges no crimes. The Congress has issued two articles, Abuse of Power and Obstruction of Congress. Neither is a crime. As for Abuse of Power, it is not unusual for a President to be accused of abuse of power. The Constitution gives the President an enormous amount of power and Presidents are typically accused of abuse of power by someone. But abuse of power has never has been grounds for impeachment because it is not a crime. Neither is Obstruction of Congress. The executive has a right to appeal to the Judiciary. Pretending that either abuse of power or obstruction of Congress is a crime is nonsense.

What we are witnessing is an abuse of power, but not by the Executive. The abuse of power is a political play by the House of Representatives which is attempting to execute their role consistent with a parliamentary form of government--not a republic. What they are doing is unconstitutional and deserved judicial review.

Unfortunately, it does not appear that the Constitution has appropriate provisions for judicial review of Congressional misconduct. It appears, therefore, that in this respect, our founding fathers let us down. The President should have the right to ask for judicial review in the case of impeachment and, in my opinion, we need a constitutional amendment to give that right to future Presidents.
 
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