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It's time to turn the page and begin the hunt for a new QB. #Browns

Sorry player fans. It's time. Baker Mayfield is an average NFL QB, a future journeyman ...and it's time to look at our options. There are only two QBs in the NFL worse than Baker Mayfield in the 4th quarter. We routinely finish in the bottom half in almost every meaningful passing category. There is nothing at all special about him. I used to think he had an elite arm, but a lot of QBs can throw the ball hard. He can certainly throw it, but how well does he pass it really? High, hard, and behind. Rinse and repeat. A large percentage of his completions go that route as well. He has every single weakness he had coming out of college. Nothing at all has improved. In the NFL he isn't chucking up prayers to NFL caliber WRs being covered by guys who are now checking out your groceries. Baker Mayfield is the 4th best QB in the AFC North. Out of 4 teams.



Last place in the division. Most in here predicted outlandish success this season. 12 wins? 14? Maybe more. This blow-hard thought we would likely have less wins than last season, simply due to a historically easy schedule in 2020. The Browns just lost to a team with no kicker, and a fat QB who likely has lower back problems, and runs about as fast as an arthritic sloth. People are now starting to look for new excuses. The new coach is holding the team back. The WRs drop the ball too much. Mean fans are hurting Emily Mayfield's feelings and it's having an effect on Baker's play. The truth is, there's a bottleneck at the QB position. We have a Superbowl caliber roster, and a QB that is limiting what we can do with it. Baker Mayfield is the best QB we have had in twenty years ....and people are desperate to defend him. I get it.



Against the Steelers on Sunday we witnessed something we try really hard to ignore. Baker throwing high and hard the majority of the game. While throwing from the pocket, Baker not only can't see most of the field, but he throws his trademark bullets high enough to get over the defenders standing between he and his receiver. This just doesn't work, as the trajectory of these bullets leave them high and often behind his mark. A difficult ask of WRs, TEs, and RBs. You'll have player fans on twitter showing slow motion replays of a ball going through Hooper's hand, and calling anyone who dares criticize Baker a "mouth breather", but in reality Hooper was at the top of his jump, arms outstretched to the max, trying to reel in a high, hard, and behind football. Could have easily been a walk in touchdown instead... a bad pass. A QB could normally avoid this by putting some touch on the ball, a little arc, or air under it ....but Baker doesn't seem to have that gear.

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Mayfield throughout his entire career has made a cottage industry of rolling to his right. It seems to be the one thing he is great at. The problem is, when you are a one-trick pony, other teams game-plan to take that trick away from you. Baker has rolled right and attempted to pass a total of 6 times this year. Think about that in relation to each year prior. Teams have forced Baker into the pocket, the Steelers literally dared the Browns to pass practically the entire game. How is it working out?

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Fourth quarter, and another chance to win a game. Most of us knew what was going to happen didn't we? We have held onto hope, praying that the light would go on, that Baker would make wholesale changes, and he would become the Browns franchise QB ...someone we could count on to put the team on his back and lead us to victory with the game on the line. What we have got in reality is a QB that is 33 of 62, with 4 TDs and 5 INTS. Sam Darnold is the only QB as bad as Mayfield with the game on the line since 2018. Mayfield's passing rating with the game on the line is 61.3 and the Browns are 3-11 in these scenarios.

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Kevin Stefanski was hired to reign in Mayfield's erratic tendencies. Stefanski's offense tends to turn average QBs into statistical wonders, (Case Keenum) and perhaps limit some players at certain positions, like a downfield QB and burner WR for example. Some argue that Stefanski has taken Mayfield's gunslinger aura away from him, which while true is also the reason why Baker has become far less prone to interceptions. The dink and dunk offense with numerous screens and TE heavy route trees certainly makes a QB look good on paper at times ...but who is Baker Mayfield without the ability to roll out on play action and plant bombs down the field? Certainly these are often 50/50 bombs, but they do add to what an opposing defense has to worry about. Mayfield has 10 completions of 20 or more yards this season ...20th in the league. Recall Stefon Diggs having the same issue that OBJ is currently having in the Stefanski offense. He moved on to the Bills and is back to all-pro form. I suspect OBJ will do the same for some other team.

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In short, we have no vertical passing attack, while employing one of the very best WR tandems in the game, and one of the fastest WRs in the league in Schwartz. Did the Browns hire the right coach? If you believe analytics and going by the book is usually right, then yes. If you believe in coaches who base decisions on the ebb and flow of the game, their "gut" as it were, then no. We are the worst team in the league at going for it on 4th down. Analytics got us there.

We could have had Canton native and lifelong Browns fan Josh McDaniels.

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So where are we now? A Superbowl caliber roster, with an extremely limited QB, and a coach who can only go by the book, apparently not capable of harnessing whatever "elite" trait Mayfield may have, if he has one at all. Playoffs this season ...not likely. Our Superbowl window is open for only a short while ...without the Browns front office doing something extremely out of character (see, ballsy) like going after a Watson, Wilson, or Rogers ...I don't see us going anywhere.

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(yes another QB thread)
 
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I’d want out of Seattle too if I had to look around the city and see those kinds of conditions. What a shithole that city has become! My guess is he won’t want to go to San Francisco or Philly either. Would you? I’d trade Mayfield for Wilson in a heartbeat!
 
If they do opt to keep BM for his last year under contract he will be on supa thin ice. he had better come out looking the business
in game 1 of '22. I am convinced we will see some movement in the QB room.the browns FO need leverage over BM and his team.
a new QB applies said leverage. nothing would send that message stronger than a FA (or a 1st rd traded up pick.) QB signing.
Its a great situation for a QB to walk into but for a FA WR? not so much.no one is going to want to come here after juice walks.
those FA-WR we are looking at? will call juice or OBJ.they will say GET OUT! like the film.
If baker comes out behind closed doors firing at the FO or KS over last season? they will get rid of him.100%.I hope for the CB sake and bakers he can stay humble and play QB here this year.
 
inside information?
I think watching these young QB's tear up the playoffs is making baker look worse and worse.If him or his team are agitating behind the scenes? (which I do suspect) they may feel they have to trade him. I'm starting to hear it everywhere.

 
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So, light throwing from April and full go by training camp. That's excellent news.

Sometimes the best motivator is feeling like you've hit rock bottom, so fingers crossed the adversity can have a positive impact. As I've said before, I'd love to see him get in a lot of work with a quarterback coach. He'll have plenty of time to work on his footwork, pour through the film and eventually begin working on his mechanics prior to the beginning of camp. There, hopefully he can put it all together and get ready to come out firing.
 
If they do keep Mayfield around, i hope for our sake he proves me and alot of other fans, who see him for what he is, wrong......

On the bright side, a healthy Mayfield is significantly more productive than we saw in '21. Even at his worst, he's been better than that. Our defence has been much better, we'll have the opportunity to add more receiving threats alongside a more developed DPJ/Schwartz/Landry, we'll hopefully have Hunt and Chubb back healthy, and we'll hopefully see some of the issues in the passing attack corrected from a schematic perspective.

This is still a talented young team which is growing in to its own. I think tales of the Browns' demise are greatly exaggerated. Our window is still wide open.
 
On the bright side, a healthy Mayfield is significantly more productive than we saw in '21. Even at his worst, he's been better than that. Our defence has been much better, we'll have the opportunity to add more receiving threats alongside a more developed DPJ/Schwartz/Landry, we'll hopefully have Hunt and Chubb back healthy, and we'll hopefully see some of the issues in the passing attack corrected from a schematic perspective.

This is still a talented young team which is growing in to its own. I think tales of the Browns' demise are greatly exaggerated. Our window is still wide open.
There’s no doubt there’s talent on this team. It’s the underlying issues holding them back. We all have our theory’s on what those issues are at the moment
 
So the Packers spectacularly flail out of the playoffs and go in to the offseason more than $44M over the salary cap, and that's without resigning a guy like Devonte Adams.

The easiest way for them to fix their issues would be to part ways with Rodgers and Adams, and see if they made a wise decision with Jordan Love.

I know, I know. It's insane spitballing and it never happens to us. But I can't help but shake the feeling that might be exactly why it would be attractive to Aaron Rodgers. He marches to the beat of his own drum and loves doing the exact thing nobody would expect him to do. I see him aligned as the obvious target for Pittsburgh and I just feel like being the missing piece for a storied franchise might be something he just won't do.

If Rodgers wants legacy, being the guy who turned the Cleveland Browns in to a Superbowl winning franchise is that. It would never be forgotten.

We've got a very good OL, one of the best ground games in the league and an excellent defence. And we're projected to have around $38M in cap space and could easily create more with a move like parting ways with Landry. Frankly, we could afford Rodgers and Adams, and chase a Superbowl.

I'm not saying it is likely, but there just isn't a reality in which a team doesn't at least consider making a run for a guy like Aaron Rodgers - and who knows if he'll be interested or not. The guy is an enigma. Like I said, the face so many people think it wouldn't even cross his mind feels like a reason he'd damn well do it.
 
Id love to have Rodgers in Cleveland. However he may not be a good fit. He is not a yes man so the Laptop, Berry and Stefanski would have to swallow a little pride on occasion. Like every day....
 
So the Packers spectacularly flail out of the playoffs and go in to the offseason more than $44M over the salary cap, and that's without resigning a guy like Devonte Adams.

The easiest way for them to fix their issues would be to part ways with Rodgers and Adams, and see if they made a wise decision with Jordan Love.

I know, I know. It's insane spitballing and it never happens to us. But I can't help but shake the feeling that might be exactly why it would be attractive to Aaron Rodgers. He marches to the beat of his own drum and loves doing the exact thing nobody would expect him to do. I see him aligned as the obvious target for Pittsburgh and I just feel like being the missing piece for a storied franchise might be something he just won't do.

If Rodgers wants legacy, being the guy who turned the Cleveland Browns in to a Superbowl winning franchise is that. It would never be forgotten.

We've got a very good OL, one of the best ground games in the league and an excellent defence. And we're projected to have around $38M in cap space and could easily create more with a move like parting ways with Landry. Frankly, we could afford Rodgers and Adams, and chase a Superbowl.

I'm not saying it is likely, but there just isn't a reality in which a team doesn't at least consider making a run for a guy like Aaron Rodgers - and who knows if he'll be interested or not. The guy is an enigma. Like I said, the face so many people think it wouldn't even cross his mind feels like a reason he'd damn well do it.
Funny you mention that. I seen that Sean Payton might be available and leaving the Saints. If I were Truckstop Jimmy? I'd shitcan this joke of a front office, hire Payton and go get Aaron Rodgers at whatever cost and chase the Super Bowl while that window is open.
 
Funny you mention that. I seen that Sean Payton might be available and leaving the Saints. If I were Truckstop Jimmy? I'd shitcan this joke of a front office, hire Payton and go get Aaron Rodgers at whatever cost and chase the Super Bowl while that window is open.
Now that's some positive vibe right there. Do it Haslam! Show you can be brilliant for a change instead of acting as Roger's door mat. The man is holding you down Jimmy. Goodell has his hooks in like Lightfoot has in the south side slums of Chicago.........
 
Haslam needs to stop pussyfooting around. If he wants to prove he's serious, he needs to bring in serious people. Other than Rodgers, who else is out there worth a damn? And dont tell me that dud from Miami. Cousins? Bortles? Fitzmagic? Wilson?
 
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