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My opinion is my own. The same is true for Grey. We log into a forum, we give our opinions, we log off and continue living our lives. That's it. It's not our fault if anyone wants to put emphasis on it. Frankly, half the time I can't even remember what I posted about the last time I was online. If my opinion is effecting half the board, they probably need to remember that 90% of the time I'm posting drunk and without wearing pants. I am not Bill Belichick. None of us are. Don't take it so seriously.

I wanted to resign Scwartz, but I've embraced Shon Coleman, and I hope he's a stud. He actually liked a tweet I sent him saying something like "Shon kicked cancers ass, you think a pass rusher scares him? Fuck Cancer."


That's awesome BDU - I'm proud of you for that.
All you could post during Free Agency was that the sky was falling... you failed to look beyond it. Live & learn

Hey what do you think about our new Aussie kicker??? Brad Craddock!!

I think we'll have him for 10+ years!! He's played some Rugby too...
 
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All right. . . I've been hard on the kid. . . but now I'm really pulling for him:

http://fox8.com/2016/05/07/clevelan...s-teen-with-special-needs-to-her-senior-prom/

"ELYRIA - It was a fairy tale prom night for 17-year-old Elyria High School Senior Elna Wright, who was escorted by a special date on Saturday.

Wright, who has a rare progressive disorder called Hereditary Spastic Paraplegia, wasn’t sure that she’d have a date at all. She had planned to go with her boyfriend who passed away last fall, her parents said.

“They had always planned to go to prom together. They've been friends for a really long time, so it’s a bitter sweet moment,” said her mother, Ingrid Wright. “No one asked her to the prom, and I can understand why. It might be a tough position.”

Her dress, hair, makeup and flowers were all provided by donors including the Najia Foundation, which was established in honor of 8-year-old Najia Diara Rayal Boone, a relative of Wright killed in 2009 by accidental gunfire.

A date was the only thing missing for the big night, so Wright’s parents made a last minute plea on behalf of their avid Cleveland sports fan daughter. Perhaps someone from the Cleveland Browns would escort Wright to prom?

Enter Offensive Lineman Cam Erving.

Erving not only said “yes,” but he picked Wright up at her Elyria home in a limo bus. They took pictures in Elyria’s Ely Square before heading to prom at Wagner’s of Westlake.

“I just wanted to come here for her,” Erving said. “Just being able to make her smile, that's the biggest thing. Everybody deserves happiness, so anything I can do to make this night as special as possible.”

Wright flashed a bright smile much of the night. Her parents said they expect it will be one of her best memories ever.

“She’s on top of the world right now,” Elna’s dad, Ebony Wright, said. “This means everything.”

Wright, who was crowned homecoming queen last fall, is set to graduate next month. Her father said the family set out to make it her best year ever."
 
BTW, all valid opinions here so no reason other than offseason boredom to get into shit slinging.

If coaching and coaching methods didn't matter, coaches would never get fired. We'd just blame everything on the players, say the really good ones simply stopped being good for no apparent reason. Which makes very little sense to me, as I've said repeatedly.

The mind boggling suckage of Pettine and O'Neill just keeps getting boggling-er the more you hear. Drafting a first-team All American center from a major conference in round one (his CONSENSUS PROJECTION) and then playing him at all five positions in two different blocking schemes? That's bad coaching and it will damn sure absolutely affect performance.

Unless, of course, you think everything he did at Florida State was an illusion and every single draftnick on earth (pros and media types alike) were hoodwinked. If he's weaker than a toddler and bad at his job, why did he play so damn well in college? Again, if blocking is blocking, wouldn't he still be really good at it? I mean, he's either good or he's not... or you think the DL he faced were all Pee Wee players.

So many defensive players "groused" about how they were used according to about a dozen sources. Who takes Kruger and his 11 sacks and tries to make him a cover guy? I read the same thing about Shelton, that they made him change how he plays, what he does best, and for a long while it showed (he, like Erving, played better late in the year).

So did all these guys really play great in college and then start sucking the minute they put on an orange helmet? Shelton, Erving, Orchard, Cooper... all of them? It just seems to cut against Occam's Razor. The only common thread is they played for last year's Browns coached by Pettine.

That brass and staff annoyed the shit out of me at every turn. They refused to draft WRs. In retrospect, they drafted the wrong QB (we should've taken Derek Carr). They continued throwing money at bridge starters, going from Hoyer to McCown.

This new group, I get what they're doing and I dig the hell out of it. When I read that the two teams that have drafted the most players in the last 10 years are also the two teams with the best records? That's damn interesting and has become one of the tenants of NFL Moneyball Wisdom: Scouting is inexact. Draft more players. Take more swings. Drafting two similar "route running possession WRs" in the same round doubles your chances that one is a great value and possibly a long-term starter.
 
BTW, my problem with saying Erving "still sucked" over the last few games is that we ran the ball extremely well and didn't give up a lot of sacks. Sooo... I'm cool with that.
 
he mind boggling suckage of Pettine and O'Neill just keeps getting boggling-er the more you hear. Drafting a first-team All American center from a major conference in round one (his CONSENSUS PROJECTION) and then playing him at all five positions in two different blocking schemes? That's bad coaching and it will damn sure absolutely affect performance.

Unless, of course, you think everything he did at Florida State was an illusion and every single draftnick on earth (pros and media types alike) were hoodwinked.

All I know is he was physically dominated on too many plays. Like I said. . . I'm pulling for him, but I have a hard time blaming his coaches for ALL of his suckage.

He will surely be better. If he's not. . . it will be as bad a pick as is Gilbert.
 
All I know is he was physically dominated on too many plays. Like I said. . . I'm pulling for him, but I have a hard time blaming his coaches for ALL of his suckage.

He will surely be better. If he's not. . . it will be as bad a pick as is Gilbert.

Worst case Martin, Cam turns out to be a rotational lineman. Gilbert can't even get on the field.
 
Maybe I'm farting rainbows lately but I have a feeling we'll have an excellent line. Obviously we're WAY faster and more explosive at the skill positions. Front 7 seems loaded with possibilities. From where I sit now, I'm pretty excited to see what it all looks like.

Kinda thinking we should pick up a corner before camp, maybe in a trade. Rams have any extra ones lying around? Hartline for a corner?
 
Maybe I'm farting rainbows lately but I have a feeling we'll have an excellent line. Obviously we're WAY faster and more explosive at the skill positions. Front 7 seems loaded with possibilities. From where I sit now, I'm pretty excited to see what it all looks like.

The team is better. That's not saying a lot. Still HUGE question at QB. But I too am excited to see it on the field.
 
So long as Erving wants to work hard and improve than I am not comfortable saying he is Gilbert tier, Gilbert is easily one of the most self-involved players I've ever seen on the Browns. Cam Erving is like the polar opposite of that.
 
Erving getting the love from teammates. He put in the work and will play his position in 2016, get coached. I like his chances to start at center for 9 or 10 years.

Drango is 6'6" and 315, two time Big 12 OL of the year and a consensus All American. Still can't see how he fell to 5. One of the draftnicks said they had him as a fringe first rounder going into the season, didn't do anything to lose that.

Drango says they told him to be ready to play some guard... but after 4 plays it was all right tackle. Some serious competition there.
 
The new core:

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Cameron Erving impressing early at OTAs 05-28-2016
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Browns OC Pep Hamilton said Cameron Erving has "stepped up" at center.

clevelandbrowns.com Erving is moving back to his natural position after spending his rookie year at guard. He was a liability in four spot starts last season, but the Browns are counting on second-year improvement. Cleveland's offensive line currently projects as LT Joe Thomas, LG Joel Bitonio, C Erving, RG John Greco, and RT Alvin Bailey.

This sounds promising for Erving. Had tough transition last year, but sure he learned a lot. Hopefully he can excel at his natural spot at Center. How this OL performs...mmmm as we all know effects everything; down to defense and special teams.. Not expecting great things as we did a full fledged strip down of this team this year... It's going to take a couple years.. I seem to say that all the time..but it feels a little different this time.... with Hugh at the helm... Knowing we have 2 high first rounders coming to us next year, is always in the back of my mind as well. It breeds hope...but I am an optimist by nature.
 
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Drango is 6'6" and 315, two time Big 12 OL of the year and a consensus All American. Still can't see how he fell to 5. One of the draftnicks said they had him as a fringe first rounder going into the season, didn't do anything to lose that.

Drango says they told him to be ready to play some guard... but after 4 plays it was all right tackle. Some serious competition there.

Maybe you could write the script -- Drango Unchained!
 
Who the heck is Alvin Bailey?? I see he was signed as an FA from the Seahawks, but he started in only eight games for them in three years. I'd rather give Austin Pasztor a shot at RT. The running game improved dramatically in the late-season when he was in there.
 
Who the heck is Alvin Bailey?? I see he was signed as an FA from the Seahawks, but he started in only eight games for them in three years. I'd rather give Austin Pasztor a shot at RT. The running game improved dramatically in the late-season when he was in there.

How about we let the coaches decide based on the play on the field? We haven't even gotten to training camp yet....
 
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