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Greythan said:
Pastzor called for illegal motion (his third of the year; tied for most among all NFL lineman) off a timeout!

Erving absolutely got blown up on the last sack of Kessler. I just can't watch him play football.

Thomas picks up his assignment on a play, only to see a DB blitz breaking free. So, he does what only a first ballot HOFer can do: Keeps his existing block and thrusts his left arm Rocky-style into the DB knocking him on his ass. There's just no one better.
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Between him and Erving, I don't know who's worse
 
This Cam Erving thing is giving me a splitting headache.

Another Farmer first round failure.

Hopefully, he'll injure himself again so he can spend some more time on the sideline.

He's just not cutting it at center.
 
What's interesting is Danny Shelton, who by all accounts has totally kicked in, was the least surprising draft pick of the recent first round bunch.

The Cleveland Browns select, Justin Gilbert - who?
The Cleveland Browns select, Johnny Manziel - well, okay, but we'll see how it works out
The Cleveland Browns select, Cameron Erving - versatile, well, guess that's good, as long as he's not a jack of all trades, master of none.

But when we picked Shelton, everyone nodded, said it made sense, and praised his attitude, motor, work ethic, and production.

Maybe we should just draft who the McShay's of this world say we should - in the first round anyway. The rest of the rounds are the wild west.

Wonder what McShay's final mocks were for our selections in the past 3 years. Might look that up.
 
OconRecon said:
What's interesting is Danny Shelton, who by all accounts has totally kicked in, was the least surprising draft pick of the recent first round bunch.
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Reminding us that even Phil Savage knew where to find Joe Thomas and grab him while he could.

Thus, we can't possibly declare either Savage or Farmer to be complete failures.
 
OconRecon said:
The max protection sack was demoralizing. We had 8 in blocking.
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I'm writing to him to tell him that I told him so. I hate max protection. Even if they only drop four, it's still a motherfucking double-double coverage. That's why I hate heavy blocking sets - it's great, but it's so easy for both WR to be covered on the play, in which case it really doesn't matter how many blockers you've got.
 
brownsdownunder said:
I'm writing to him to tell him that I told him so. I hate max protection. Even if they only drop four, it's still a motherfucking double-double coverage. That's why I hate heavy blocking sets - it's great, but it's so easy for both WR to be covered on the play, in which case it really doesn't matter how many blockers you've got.
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Sometimes you can run a tight end delay or slip a running back out of the max protect with the wides going deep and make some good yards, but other than that, it's pretty unproductive.
 
NDneighbor said:
Reminding us that even Phil Savage knew where to find Joe Thomas and grab him while he could.

Thus, we can't possibly declare either Savage or Farmer to be complete failures.
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You know I often think about that. Savage struggled with drafting Thomas or Adrian Peterson. I love Joe like family but often think the team would have had a more positive identity than we have now with Peterson
 
ChowMeinChad said:
You know I often think about that. Savage struggled with drafting Thomas or Adrian Peterson. I love Joe like family but often think the team would have had a more positive identity than we have now with Peterson
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Peterson wouldn't have lasted 5 seasons in Cleveland. Certainly not at a pro-bowl level anyway.

Back in '07 Thomas was a no-brainer pick. He was taken before Quinn.
 
Just looked up Centers on PFF.

You'll all be totally unsurprised to hear Cam is dead last. And I mean wayyyy last. He's not even close to being average.

He's earned a grade of 37.6, the few centers above him are 44.0, 49.5, 50.3, and then everyone else is in the 60's and up. By PFF math, that's so damn rock bottom.

Austin Reiter, in his one game, earned a grade of 66.5. THAT's a grade that can be built upon.

Cam is not only the lowest graded center of all who qualify with enough snaps, he's even below those who have only taken a few snaps.
 
Hue needs to sit Cam before he gets Kessler killed. Even the run game was shit last week with him letting defenders waltz into the backfield. I was all about giving him another chance this year but he has been a major factor in losing each game he has played in. Who are they trying to save face for by starting him?
 
NDneighbor said:
Peterson wouldn't have lasted 5 seasons in Cleveland. Certainly not at a pro-bowl level anyway.

Back in '07 Thomas was a no-brainer pick. He was taken before Quinn.
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I disagree. AP is a transcendent back. Barry Sanders had a very productive career in Detroit behind an annually piss poor o-line and is considered among the best RB's to ever play the game. I think AP would have had a similar career regardless of where he landed.

I think Joe Thomas was a home run pick. You need a guy to protect the QB and even though Joe has protected like what... 15-20 different guys in his time here, he has been a stalwart force for us. One of the best to ever play at his position.
 
Reiter can play. Actually keyed on him and he's nasty. Hope he's on the team and in the mix next year. Erving's gonna have every shot to show he isn't made of Wonder Bread but man he looks weak.

Like to see some Coleman and/or Drango without getting Kessler killed.
 
We cut Matthews and haven't even kicked the tires to bring him back (did another team pick him up?) so that leads me to think he wasn't very good. We gave Erving a second chance, how many second chances do you give a guy. I'm all but given up on him as a certified bust.
 
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I watched the Titans film and keyed in on Cam - I literally watched the entire game just to watch his every play. He's so all over the shop that it's almost as if I could edit clips together and legitimately show you four different players. He makes some amazing blocks, he makes some bad blocks, he makes some terrible blocks, he makes some blocks in which I'm convinced Duke Johnson at C would be an upgrade. It's so strange. No doubt he's consistently bad, but the guy has moments of brilliance that seem to disappear as quickly as they come.

Frankly, I'm already over him. He's just so bad. It's like he doesn't entirely understand what he's supposed to do. I don't think he makes the team next year.
 
cam sucks...on one blitz a Titan LB took one arm and shoved him over....I believe at my advanced age I could whip his ass on the field lol


He is the worst center I have ever seen in a Browns uni...that goes back to Fred Hoaglin (who was pretty damn good)
 
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