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Thanks man. Solid read. Sounds like a classic OL coach. Of course Bob Wiley was a character we loved, but he hadn't had a job in this league in decades, so I'd have to conclude this is another coaching upgrade.

HC, OC, DC, & ST hires have never been this strongly upgraded at once:

Freddie > Hue
Monken > Toad
Wilks > GGG
Priefer > Amos

Add Campen to that list. He's a much stronger hire than Wiley, god love'im.
 
Sign Robinson, then maybe draft Tytus from Alabama State if we have to wait until late Saturday.
Might be able to get the Wisconsin tackle in the 3rd.

For the most part, I'm pretty damn happy with our top 6, and since Corbett is an interior man, shoot for developmental or diamond OT's.
 
max scharping,martez Ivey,tytus howard,bobby evans,wyatt miller and denis daley
all lefties and 1 of them will absolutely be there in the 5th round (and later)
If you want a project going forward - here they are.
I guess it comes down to old fashioned scouting to select the best prospect
and pick accordingly.

I like the idea of doing all that AND keeping robinson

IMO robinson looked better in the 2nd half of the season because
the browns coaches changed the offensive scheme to a "lets not get our QB killed" strategy
max protect schemes(2 te's and 2 rb's),quick crosses/outs,screens etc
which worked wonderfully

but If they go back to a more traditional offensive strategy robinson maybe exposed
bulletproof baker may get cracked pretty well IF that happens
I like the idea of bringing up one of these OT prospects as a plan B
AND drafting a decent QB prospect (not a 6/7th rounder)
tyree jackson as a another insurance policy

I expect tyrod taylor to continue his career else where
(a big mistake IMO, he is not an nfl starting QB)

IMO DK will be there If jonah williams is selected by the bills
(If JW is there they will take him over DK)

something like this?

17: R1P17
WR D.K. METCALF
MISSISSIPPI

49: R2P17
LB DEVIN BUSH
MICHIGAN

80: R3P16
QB TYREE JACKSON
BUFFALO

95: R3P31
DL KHALEN SAUNDERS
WESTERN ILLINOIS

119: R4P17
OT MAX SCHARPING
NORTHERN ILLINOIS

145: R5P6
CB JUSTIN LAYNE
MICHIGAN STATE

156: R5P17
LB T.J. EDWARDS
WISCONSIN

171: R5P32
EDGE SHAREEF MILLER
PENN STATE

191: R6P16
RB BRUCE ANDERSON
NORTH DATOKA STATE

223: R7P7
CB JIMMY MORELAND
JMU

245: R7P29
DL TERRY BECKNER JR
MISSOURI



 
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The Browns will go into acquisition season with their DT rotation and another pass rusher top of mind... and I just don't see us coming out of it without one of each. McCoy and Houston are just one example. The home run feels like Jarrett and Brandon Graham. (I question whether Dee Ford wants to be a rotational player or whether anybody would pay him what he wants to be one... and he isn't a full-time 4-3 DE.)

After that happens, I think WR will climb to a slam dunk for one of the first two picks, assuming we didn't swing a trade or sign Tyrell Williams.
 
I couldn't agree more. A gelled unit and no reason to not have everyone back.
Luckily, news today is Dorsey is working on the deal.
Fantastic.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Your daily reminder that any tweet proposing that the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Browns?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Browns</a> desperately need to upgrade their pass protection must be expressly reconciled with the fact that Baker Mayfield was *touched* 9 times (Rooney voice: Niiiiine tiiiiimes) from weeks 9-17. <br><br>Thank you. -Management</p>— Ryan Burns (@FtblSickness) <a href="https://twitter.com/FtblSickness/status/1098624892109348864?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 21, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Joe Thomas and Shaun O'Hara agree that the line over the back half of the season was superb and should not be jacked with. Continuity is good. They both think Robinson deserves a full shot to be the long-term LT... and Robinson really wants to stay, appreciated being appreciated.

Both tackles were playing quite well down the stretch. Let's not look a gift horse in the mouth. Continuity is king on the OL. They haven't come anywhere close to peaking.
 
I agree they did a good job and deserve a full season with steady coordinators BUT
it was scheme that protected mayfield
the offensive scheme was changed drastically after haley left
and thats why we looked so much better. so much better they said fu^kit
lets give kitchens the HC gig
it wasn't drastic player improvement
 
It's all so intertwined, I don't think you can separate the factors that cleanly. Once Robinson and Hubbard got settled in, it sure looked like Baker had time, including going deep. Like Joe and others said, you credit Baker's mobility and his quick trigger (when it's called for)... but you don't have 5 sacks in the back half of the season without really good line play.

You can help your line. You can't create it from thin air.

I'd keep adding to the pipeline. Get another upside guy in R4 to go with Corbett and Harrison. Campen isn one of the best OL coaches in the world, turned 4th rounder Bakhtiari into the top LT in the league. I'd let him do that with a rook, Austin, and Desmond.
 
It’s just so perfect for Baker. The interior 3 are soooo gelled and soooo good, as long as the pocket doesn’t immediately collapse via the OT’s, he can step up & deliver.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Browns?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Browns</a> interior offensive line has graded as the league’s best trio <a href="https://t.co/lXIx6YDTDq">https://t.co/lXIx6YDTDq</a></p>— PFF CLE Browns (@PFF_Browns) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF_Browns/status/1100002129731821568?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 25, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
And I put this on Twitter too, but Desmond Harrison’s overall grade was 57.1, with a 73.5 pass blocking grade.

However, compare him to these guys...

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Aside from the elite-elite LTs, they can take some time. Desmond Harrison has rare athleticism for a guy that size... and very soon, could be a true "franchise LT."

Could come a time when he's the LT and Robinson moves to the other side, depending on how Hubbard's doing. Still trying to figure out where Corbett's gonna play, because we damn well better extend Tretter. Among the best on a bum ankle.
 
Kind of love the Kush signing. Reminds me a bit of John Grecco. His announcement thread on twitter is a super nice mix of the Bears fans wishing him well, and the Browns fans welcoming him. No bitching. He's a proven NFL'r, who can pass block.

Dept chart:

LT: Robinson / Harrison
LG: Bitonio / Kush
C: Tretter / Kush
RG: Corbett / Kalis
RT: Hubbard / Seaton

3rd stringers: Friend and Bright

Draft a Saturday OT and let's roll.
 
More depth.

LT: Robinson / Harrison
LG: Bitonio / Kush
C: Tretter / Kush
RG: Corbett / Kalis
RT: Hubbard / Lamm

3rd stringers: Friend, Bright, Seaton

Pass blocking grades:

Jason Peters PHI 76.0
Kendall Lamm HST 75.9
Lane Johnson PHI 75.6
Orlando Brown Jr. BLT 75.4

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Browns signed former Texans OT Kendall Lamm. Started 13 games last season <a href="https://t.co/zCbphgTUmZ">https://t.co/zCbphgTUmZ</a> <a href="https://t.co/kM4bsqHqwI">pic.twitter.com/kM4bsqHqwI</a></p>— Andrew Gribble (@Andrew_Gribble) <a href="https://twitter.com/Andrew_Gribble/status/1106602351232733184?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 15, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Dorsey (who has an amazing eye for players), Wiley, and now Campen say Corbett has the goods. He’s no Cam Erving. Sure, he has a lot to prove, but those who have an eye for talent and those who have watched him vs NFL’ers say he’ll be fine.

I just don’t see a huge drop off for our O line. Tony “mr negative” Grossi says O-line is stilll a team strength. And everything says we’ll still have an elite interior 3, as we already have 2 of the three at a high level, which is ahead of most teams.

How about a Mahomes vs Baker situation comparison?

KC’s center - all back ups. Austin Reiter is their current best option.
CB’s center - Trett is the 3rd ranked pass blocking center.

KC’s LG - is Cam Erving. We’ don’t need PFF to tell us he’s bad, but he’s PFF’s 75th, out of 77.
CB’s LG - is Bitonio. #2 ranked pass blocking guard, #5 ranked guard overall.

KC’s RG - is A. Wiley. He’s okay. Serviceable. 28th ranked blocker.
CB’s RG - is (near 1st round pick) Corbett, who those closest to him feel he’s gonna be good.

KC’s LT - is Fisher, ranked 26th. But, our back-up LT, Lamm, had a better p-blocking grade.
CB’s LT - is G-Rob. Who isn’t ranked highly, but is proven in the Baker-Freddie system.

KC’s RT - is Mitchell Schwartz. He’s damn good.
KC’s RT- is the serviceable Hubbard, who settled in.

Kush, our new back-up guard is pretty good. Their guards have pass blocking grades of 42 and 63. Kush’s pass blocking grade is 80.

So, I’m not worried about our interior line. It’s damn good even though we have a sophomore at RG.

Our tackles don’t get great grades, but they were here last year and did well. No guess work.

And while Mahomes has maybe lost Hill, Baker has gained OBJ. And Hunt has switched teams.
 
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