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Pick 52 ... Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah, LB, Notre Dame

JOK cannot cover NFL WRs. ESD is likely referring to bumping to the slot if/when a tightend is lined up in the slot.

He is an undersized LB and looks like he could be a really good LB at WS in the base 4-3 (which CLE will be in less than 30% of the time), and likely as the second LB when in the nickel package. Long term he might be the LB on the field when CLE goes dime
 
Masters said:
JOK cannot cover NFL WRs. ESD is likely referring to bumping to the slot if/when a tightend is lined up in the slot.

He is an undersized LB and looks like he could be a really good LB at WS in the base 4-3 (which CLE will be in less than 30% of the time), and likely as the second LB when in the nickel package. Long term he might be the LB on the field when CLE goes dime
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You have "NO IDEA" what kind of LB'er he is going to be... So shuddup!... And let the coaches decide...
 
have you seen his tape? - serious question because ah..yeah he can cover slot WR's and TE's very well
and not just in the flat,he can turn and man cover downfield! yeah!
how do I know? I watched the tape.ALL his tape.you? obviously haven't studied it at all.
his body size/skill set and speed just scream SS. superstar SS actually.
Its not 100%.they may want to move him around but IMO its obvious the role he should play.box safety.
nickers said:
And let the coaches decide...
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you know thats joe woods right? you're his biggest fan afterall!
I say lets just see - he has a much better team now than last year.I reserve judgement (although I did want him fired after last year)
 
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EastSideDawg said:
i wouldnt say covering man to man everywhere but the will LB in this D will line up over the slot and carry the WR to the flat or even vertically sometimes. ive seen Taki and malcom smith do it in games last year.


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A team that primarily lines up in 3-4 vs 11 personel isnt going to win many games.
In this case it would be the ss in man, sub in a nickle or play zone.
A will vs slot in man is asking for trouble.
 
EastSideDawg said:
i wouldnt say covering man to man everywhere but the will LB in this D will line up over the slot and carry the WR to the flat or even vertically sometimes. ive seen Taki and malcom smith do it in games last year.
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Its true it has happened but not by design.taki on a slot WR? we do not want that.thats a matchup they want and like.
that formation is not one we regularly run, so using it as an example is a bad choice.
in the picture the slot coverage assignment would go to the SS.its zone.
we play 3 LB's in probable run situations only-(guess @10% maybe less).usually we play 2 in our base D.
Stylepoints said:
A will vs slot in man is asking for trouble.
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unless its JOK.
 
The Haymaker said:
have you seen his tape? - serious question because ah..yeah he can cover slot WR's and TE's very well
and not just in the flat,he can turn and man cover downfield! yeah!
how do I know? I watched the tape.ALL his tape.you? obviously haven't studied it at all.
his body size/skill set and speed just scream SS. superstar SS actually.
Its not 100%.they may want to move him around but IMO its obvious the role he should play.box safety.

you know thats joe woods right? you're his biggest fan afterall!
I say lets just see - he has a much better team now than last year.I reserve judgement (although I did want him fired after last year)
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First you have not watched all of his game tape. We both know you don't have all 22 tape of all his games, so just stop. I have seen the highlight reels you are inevitably actually talking about, and there is no reason to believe he cover NFL WRs out of the slot. Other than in zone coverages and when there is disquised blitz that requires the LB to hold up for a short time against a WR. There is nothing in his tape that makes one think you could go line him up man against an NFL WR and think that will work out well. He does not have the fluid hips of a DB to stay on routes in man coverage.

But I know there is the highlight reels of him dropping back in zones and broken plays against piss poor passes, from average college QBs, to never gone sniff the NFL receivers that he made plays on. Here is the thing, he isn't playing in college now. He is not playing against Duke, South Florida, etc. He is now facing the Bamma and Clemson (except more loaded than those two) of his college career, and doing so every week.

The roll he looks ripe for is what they have him in, the WSLB. Where his speed and athletism bring tremendous value against the run, playing in the Tampa 2 coverage when in the base 4-3, and being able to cover a TE.

Woods biggest fan? Not really. I am just not an overreactionary fan, and capable of taking in the entire picture/situation. But a nice lazy and failed attempt at a dig. Kiddos
 
EastSideDawg said:
i wouldnt say covering man to man everywhere but the will LB in this D will line up over the slot and carry the WR to the flat or even vertically sometimes. ive seen Taki and malcom smith do it in games last year.


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Okay first this image is of a 3-4 base defense against 11 personnel. Something you will almost never see occur. CLE is not running a 3-4 at all. If CLE ever has 4-3 personnel grouping on the field against 11 personnel on offense that is a substitution blunder. If that was a regular occurrence than the entire D staff would need to be shit canned. You better have nickel or big nickel personnel on the field against 11 personnel (at minimum) and it is going to have the 3rd CB/slot corner out there on the slot WR.

And yes LB can end up out on a WR when running a zone (when the receiver cross their zone assignment) or when you are running a disquised blitz that requires a LB to make that coverage long enough for the blitz to get home.
 
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Woods biggest fan? Not really. I am just not an overreactionary fan, and capable of taking in the entire picture/situation. But a nice lazy and failed attempt at a dig. Kiddos
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ok 1st of all that wasn't for you at all - I quoted someone else. you're a moron huh? thats a dig buddy.
Masters said:
there is no reason to believe he cover NFL WRs out of the slot.
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CONFIRMED moron!
Masters said:
CLE is not running a 3-4 at all.
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ahh..we just ran it in preseason. I didnt like it but we ran it.
Masters said:
He is now facing the Bamma and Clemson
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did you see what he did to clemson FROM THE SLOT? you really screwed the pooch there pal. LMFAO!
Masters said:
There is nothing in his tape that makes one think you could go line him up man against an NFL WR and think that will work out well. He does not have the fluid hips of a DB to stay on routes in man coverage.
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here he MAN COVERS slot WR's - not zone coverage.man.
If players can preform in college its a pretty good indication what they can do in the bigs.
so here is actual tape of him man covering downfield."well who says he can do it in the NFL?" I fu*king do!
you dont believe your eyes?

 
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Masters said:
there is no reason to believe
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there is every reason to believe.having said all that ^^ I dont know If he will be a DB or not.
I'd personally like to see him try.we need help there.I guess thats what the preseason is for after all.
to be clear, I absolutely think he could but I dont know If he will.WILL?
I think JOK is going to be a star no matter where we play him.we are so thin at SS.
delpit is hurt.again. just hours ago
 
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Masters said:
Okay first this image is of a 3-4 base defense against 11 personnel. Something you will almost never see occur. CLE is not running a 3-4 at all. If CLE ever has 4-3 personnel grouping on the field against 11 personnel on offense that is a substitution blunder. If that was a regular occurrence than the entire D staff would need to be shit canned. You better have nickel or big nickel personnel on the field against 11 personnel (at minimum) and it is going to have the 3rd CB/slot corner out there on the slot WR.

And yes LB can end up out on a WR when running a zone (when the receiver cross their zone assignment) or when you are running a disquised blitz that requires a LB to make that coverage long enough for the blitz to get home.
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whoopsie i was trying to find a picture and must have selected the wrong one :ROFLMAO:

yes all i was trying to say is in the 2LB sets they will bump jok over the slot WR they play hook curl most of the time. The seahawks in their heyday actually would play base 3 LB sets against mostly everything even empty sets and bot the Will and sam would be over the slot receivers.

they did have super athletic LB's with malcom smitch, KJ and bobby wagner
 
In the video the narrator points out on the first clip that the throw wasn't great, and that JOK got beat at the LOS. And that was against lesser competition in pit. When grading JOK these things will be noted. It's kind of why AB's draft picks draw heavily from the best players from the top college football conferences.

JOK recovered reasonably well, but the ball was underthrown and the WR did not put up much of a fight for it. It looks more like a draw and I'd look for the Browns to cover WR's with CB's as much as possible in every circumstance.

I'm not sold that JOK can cover WR's on a regular basis, but sure as hell looked like a helluva blitzer from whatever his position might be.
 
the general positioning and "spread" of the LB has been terrible.the LB coach should be on the seat 100%
they bunch up around the LOS and shoot gaps far too early.Its bad-terrible coaching right there.
arent we trained to play outside our man?never inside? we are lining up way too tight,its a wide zone D.
the OLB should be well outside of the last OL/TE.that is not where we are lining up.
we should give JOK a run at SS.I guess we are so depleted at LB we cant afford to.
If delpit cant suddenly improve? his career may be over like our season looks to be.
 
He's a great player. Now lets see some wins. Let's see these guys pummel the QB when he runs. Something they avoided in b'more. It's league wide anymore that defenders just do not hit QB's even when they run the ball and can do it legally within the rules.

The game starts to look more and more like flag football except for the actually tackling a ball carrier to the ground.
 
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